Nice kayle update. But she's still gonna be garbo.

needHymn··3 votes·1,325 views

I was testing Kayle a few days ago to see if I could find a way to make her viable in the jungle. And my conclusion was, basically no. Her problem (at the time) was that she didn't get to be a ranged champion until level 11, which on average doesn't happen till 20 minutes into the game. So rushing an early hurricane to help with her camp clear speeds didn't work, because she couldn't actually use the hurricane till 20 minutes in. The only way then to give her some clear speeds was to rush a Tiamat, and use that till 20 minutes, and then sell the Tiamat and exchange it for Hurricane. But as you can imagine, that was pretty garbo.

Now, with the new update, she becomes ranged at level 6. Woohoo. So now, she could actually rush hurricane. Problem is, now she gets no passive damage on her auto attacks until 20 minutes. So although it's great that she's ranged sooner.. now she does no damage till 20 min. So now she's basically like a Vayne, but without the silver bolts.

Just visualize that for a moment.

Vayne. Without silver bolts.

Pretty laughable, right? She's basically like a Draven now. But without the spinning axes. Actually, even that's probably stronger than her. She's more like a Soraka without abilities. Just an auto attacking Soraka.

Hurracne at 6 is great, but with no passive damage on her autos, she's like a Soraka with hurricane. Those hurricane autos aren't gonna deal any damage.

I like that Kayle got to be ranged at level 6, but I think she should have kept her passive damage (on her auto attacks) at level 6, as well. Not the waves of fire, just the passive damage on her autos. I know that seems like a lot to give her at level 6, but anything less and she's just garbage. Then at level 11, she would get the waves of fire effect. And at level 16, she would stay at maximum stacks continually. Be aware, she lost all her her true damage at level 16, so she will still be much weaker overall at level 16 than she was before.

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Z3SIeeper6 votes

Why is this about Jungle Kayle and about the viability of Hurricane rush? Lmao.

She's balanced for top lane. Being ranged at level 6 in a lane where being ranged makes a massive difference is a buff.

needHymn2 votes

I'm a jungler, so I'M SORRY if I made a post that has my personal perspective in it.

Also, I think that without the waves of fire for wave clear at level 6, the hurricane rush is gonna probably end up being the new build for her on top lane, or else she's have no wave clear. So everything I said in this post about whether or not she should get at least the passive damage on her autos, is going to effect any kind of hurricane rush, whether it's jungle or top.

TrikzterzArma2 votes

[{quoted}](name=KOG IRL,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=44JHnUsb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T14:27:10.943+0000)

I'm a jungler, so I'M SORRY if I made a post that has my personal perspective in it.

Also, I think that without the waves of fire for wave clear at level 6, the hurricane rush is gonna probably end up being the new build for her on top lane, or else she's have no wave clear. So everything I said in this post about whether or not she should get at least the passive damage on her autos, is going to effect any kind of hurricane rush, whether it's jungle or top.

I mean, I main ADC. Should I complain that MF isn't viable in the jungle?

DuskDaUmbreon3 votes

Crit Nasus isn't a viable midlaner. Give immediate buffs.

I recommend changing his lifesteal from 12/16/24% to 120/160/240% (at levels 1/2/3, of course) and letting his Q stacks crit.

TrikzterzArma1 votes

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Crit Nasus isn't a viable midlaner. Give immediate buffs.

I recommend changing his lifesteal from 12/16/24% to 120/160/240% (at levels 1/2/3, of course) and letting his Q stacks crit.

"Nasus' Q now deals 100000% damage to jungle monsters"

Z3SIeeper1 votes

[{quoted}](name=KOG IRL,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=44JHnUsb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T14:27:10.943+0000)

Also, I think that without the waves of fire for wave clear at level 6, the hurricane rush is gonna probably end up being the new build for her on top lane, or else she's have no wave clear.

Why would top Kayle want waveclear in the first place? She prefers being pushed in.

And she's most likely (almost 100%) going to be going Manamune/Archangel still. Hurricane is pathetic for waveclear on her anyway.

xDogMeatx1 votes

[{quoted}](name=KOG IRL,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=44JHnUsb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-28T14:27:10.943+0000)

I'm a jungler, so I'M SORRY if I made a post that has my personal perspective in it.

Also, I think that without the waves of fire for wave clear at level 6, the hurricane rush is gonna probably end up being the new build for her on top lane, or else she's have no wave clear. So everything I said in this post about whether or not she should get at least the passive damage on her autos, is going to effect any kind of hurricane rush, whether it's jungle or top.

i miss rinnegan kayle with true damage i want to purge the unbelievers. without lvl 16 true damage i cant do that.

MirirLightHammer1 votes

yeah but think about this: no free true damage means she will now be buffable early game

DeathBurst1 votes

Huuuh, Kayle Jungle is intended to be garbo. Kayle isn't supposed to Jungle.

The problem here is you trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Neither the peg nor the hole is an issue in itself, but they just don't fit together.

500CM1 votes

Right when I saw the part about rushing hurricane in the jungle i knew this guy was silver. Op.gg'd this guy and I was... very right. Anyways, I think they need to revert the nerf, as a person who enjoys playing kayle they gave her range, but took all her damage. At the old lv 6, kayle basically got double her E damage and increased attack speed when at full passive stacks, shes basically worse early because you're just gonna be pushed in all game because she has no wave clear or damage. She also loses out on her lv 16 true damage, so like when is she actually supposed to be good.

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