The most successful Ashe's apparently don't even use E

youngjake93·6/9/2015, 5:36:44 PM·19 votes·4,063 views

Champion.gg - Ashe ADC Stats, Builds, Runes, Masteries and Counters

If you don't even level up E at all, your win rate jumps from 55% up to 58%. I wonder why. Is it because most people forget to use hawkshot, even on the plat+ level? Is it because global short term wards aren't that powerful? Maybe levels in Q and W are just worth that much more? http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/skills-orders/ashe/adc/platinum Your win rate is even lower if you get E on level 3 instead of leveling up W a second time.

45 Comments

KMannnnn16/9/2015, 5:56:09 PM10 votes

More specific builds tend to have crazier win rates, because of a lot of statistical biases that get introduced by the specificity. It's not an actual gameplay problem with the ability, because vision is OP, it's just how the numbers happened to work out.

Dreadlocks6/9/2015, 8:43:53 PM7 votes

55.88% Win Rate | 36146 Games 58.31% Win Rate |** 2922 Games**

sample size plays a big part too.

MVDuneCats6/9/2015, 7:31:16 PM7 votes

This could be a case where players didn't win more because they used that skill order, but instead they chose that skill order in games where they (or their team) were already doing so well that the extra vision from hawkshot wasn't necessary (and the early lead turns into an even bigger lead as the game goes on, and results in the higher win rate).

DrNova6/9/2015, 5:45:52 PM3 votes

Its basically a ward, or similar to that vision summoner spell. If you and suppport are warding, why use it when you can get something with damage instead.

I assume anyways

Critmaster Garen6/9/2015, 6:34:02 PM3 votes

youre realizing this now?

since the rework ive never put a point into the e during the lane phase. at least very early on. sticking to w and q gives you more power in trades.

in solo que you can do without hawkshot for a while, if you just keep warding.

SymbolicFear6/9/2015, 5:51:21 PM2 votes

I always use E, although, I don't get it early unless asked beforehand by my jungler, that way, the jungler can counter jungle much more effectively, and even pull off some early surprise attacks in the enemy jungle. Its extremely useful, you just have to know how to build Ashe, and how to play her to her max effectiveness. In other words, its all about dat Q baby.

Zarxis6/9/2015, 6:29:05 PM2 votes

It's quite common to take a second level in one of your first two abilities rather than add one point to a third ability. Having only two abilities can mean more damage done in early trades (before you want to all-in with 3 abilities) when your opponent isn't roaming and shouldn't be leaving the lane for fear of being behind in levels/CS, and you'll save mana.

I'm not sure what's so amazing about Ashe not taking a point in her E at level 3; she goes to bottom lane. She and her support can keep up trinket wards (or a real ward or two, if the support buys them) while they wait for Ashe to reach level 4; taking E at 3 would be risking bottom lane's success (long-term game success) on a slow-moving version of Clairvoyance.

theragingnerd6/9/2015, 6:38:30 PM2 votes

WAIT SHE HAS A DAMN 55% WIN PERCENT?????? HOLYSHIT RITO PLS I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IT WAS JUST ME WHO THOUGHT ASHE WAS OP

Drunk Rummate6/9/2015, 8:04:50 PM1 votes

That's crazy. I honestly think people just aren't using it properly then. You should be checking the enemy buff/gromp/krugs pretty much on cooldown to see if you can spot enemy jungler positioning.

Silents4296/9/2015, 10:11:36 PM1 votes

Yeah I don't agree with that, being able to essentially view the entire enemy half of the map is godlike, I have kept an enemy jungler in vision most of the laning phase by using it.

Daxterr6/10/2015, 10:43:16 AM1 votes

Hah! I knew I was doing the right thing. Screw you team !

lxlLilybellelxl6/10/2015, 5:56:47 PM1 votes

dat ashe support tho don't forget her secondary role!!

SunriseSkaterKid6/11/2015, 2:10:25 PM1 votes

Another thing about hawkshot that not many people take note is that it shoots in a straight line. If you see a Hawkshot go into baron pit you can easily pinpoint the general area that the enemy ashe is coming from which allows you to set up an ambush and catch her out. It works all the time in ranked 5's

Lugg6/9/2015, 6:38:01 PM1 votes

I totally agree. E isn't even needed until you have to check Baron and Dragon mid/late game.

GundayMonday6/9/2015, 6:38:52 PM1 votes

I feel like that's a missed opportunity. Sure you get more damage with an extra point in W. But one point in E (which is global) can let you sweep the entire enemy jungle, which reveals most of the enemy camps if you angle well. Even if you only sweep one half of the enemy jungle, that lets your jungler and teammates know what side of the map the enemy is on, and also gives you timers on their camps. You can do this every 90s with no cdr, which means you can always tell where the enemy jungler is. Wondering if people haven't figured this out, or if junglers aren't good enough to use the extra intel.

TheGrandAlliance6/9/2015, 6:40:36 PM1 votes

It is because pros are noobs and don't know what they are missing out... until ASHE wins Worlds in 2015 this cannot be disputed.

LostFr0st6/9/2015, 7:27:02 PM1 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Jayce <-- the reason why he has pbe changes http://champion.gg/champion/Anivia <-- how does wall help you in lane

I'm sure that there are plenty more.

I get hawkshot when the teams start to group, not before-- unless the enemy team has a jungle eve that I have to track.

-LostFr0st

ChaoticPinecone6/9/2015, 7:30:49 PM1 votes

i do this a lot on champions with a spell that i dont feel like i need. Lux, Morg, Ziggs, WW, Diana, Malz, Viktor, Veigar, Garen, Akali...

YourSh4dow6/9/2015, 7:50:46 PM1 votes

I get E on lvl 4(if doing well but feeling getting threatened by enemy jungle) or 5 and max it last. Its one of those 1 point wonders.

But I am silver scrub what do I know.

ImHerVoice6/9/2015, 7:50:54 PM1 votes

yeah you didn't know? You don't level E lol Infact if you have E its waste of huge damage spike at level 3 lol