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A question about the health of champions who can effectively perform in 4 or 5 roles

DemonBoneJangles··1 votes·837 views

well to start this isn't me being upset but I do have some concerns about the game health of a few champions who are able to effectively, though not always game winning, able to perform as intended in more than 3 roles out of the five available in the game, (assassin and mage are nearly the same except for the stats to me)

ok lets start with Teemo , this little guy is fun to play but not so fun to play against, now I know he is satan and all but how is it healthy for him to be able to play top, mid, jungle, support, and adc without giving up what makes him a strong champion? the reason I ask is because ive recently seen a few teemo jungles who regardless of how behind they got were able to quickly and effectively outpower both our team and their own with very little counterplay.

Next is Kayle , kayle while not as mentally aggravating as teemo is still able to perform as everything but adc as far as I know without sacrificing much besides one or two items. strangely enough she builds nearly the same as teemo, ap attack speed or sometimes ad attack speed she has little counterplay when her ult is available and when in jungle can avoid people till her ult is up again.

again this is just a concern for me since riot recently started talking about game health and champion health so any comments or additions would be awesome, and once again I'm not mad or anything just asking a question.

BONES*[slayer-jinx-wink]*

13 Comments

9 X2 votes

People are getting one-shot left and right and you think Teemo Kayle of all champions are overpowered?

Stop, just stop. Open the Google. Type in "Teemo/Kayle counters". Congratulations! You are now Bronze 4.

DemonBoneJangles1 votes

I apologize, I didn't say he was uncounterable or even unbeatable, the topic of the thread and the general idea of this entire post was the ask the question is this healthy for the game, allowing a champion to perform effectively in 4+ roles in the game with little in the way of strategic counterplay outside of have spellsheild or more burst. outside of that the one-shot champions you speak of can actually only perform well in 2 lanes without a lot of assistance to perform in a third

and aside from that you seem to have missed kayle in my post and focused on your very narrow scope of teemo, perhaps you should read the entire post before downvoteing something that is a legitimate question

9 X1 votes

{quoted}

People are getting one-shot left and right and you think Teemo Kayle of all champions are overpowered?

Stop, just stop. Open the Google. Type in "Teemo/Kayle counters". Congratulations! You are now Bronze 4.

Legitimately, you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

DemonBoneJangles1 votes

I'm sorry you seem to be a broken record, coping your own post as a counterpost to a reply that you didn't even pay attention to the original post except for the fact that you knew I was talking about teemo and kayle, and yet you somehow managed to make yourself look more bronze than I am, and for a small record I don't play ranked so your judgement of my skill level is without merit, granted I have personal reasons for staying out of ranked I will say that being unranked is actually much different than being ranked.

but your persistence is admirable BONES [zombie-brand-clap]

9 X1 votes

You don't play ranked for personal reasons, also known as, "I'm afraid I'll have automatic opinion invalidization when I place in Bronze and can't climb out."

Well news flash fella, the first step to climbing is admitting you have a problem, and in your case it's at the very least inexperience and low self-esteem as you actually care about being bad at a video game. Seriously, time you spend complaining about non-existent balance issues could have been spent learning the game.

It's not rude to tell you exactly how it is taking every precaution to avoid hurting your feelings. Like I could call myself a "big beautiful man" but that's obviously code for fat and unattractive. Pssst. The code applies. Do not care.

DemonBoneJangles1 votes

um well, actually bub I stopped playing ranked because I don't enjoy it, my first placement was in silver 4 not bronze anything, so there no fear of climbing a ranked ladder for me, but in all honesty I just don't have the time to play ranked as when I do play id rather enjoy myself with my friends and relatives that play the game instead of salty people in ranked who flame and complain because I don't play how THEY want me to, so in my case unranked simply means that, I am unranked for a personal reason and regardless of your generalization your opinion is simply put, an OPINION it matters little to me beyond your selfish inability to post something of relevance to a thread that after you simply skimmed through decided to downvote and harass the poster because you obviously have nothing better to do outside of playing a videogame that once again you take way more seriously than I do. but ill admit defeat here and just accept that you are right no matter how much I try to prove otherwise. perhaps that will silence you and allow for someone else to actually comment with constructive criticism like Atrushan2 has. oh and you should likely be very careful because you never know who your flaming..... Fella ^_^

BONES

9 X1 votes

You getting your panties in a bunch over direct criticism =/= Me flaming you

I don't care who you are. I'm just calling it how it is. Take it or leave it, but if you want to be stubborn in all of your inexperience try to say you know better than me despite all evidence suggesting otherwise, I'm gonna be right here to tell you you're wrong. I'm not going to babysit you and tell you in how many dozens of ways you're wrong, because again, Google exists for that.

Since you didn't catch that last part, I'll reiterate. You're bad at a game, and that's just fine. Varying levels of skill and experience exist. That's fine. However, there is something wrong when you, in all of your inexperience, suggest Teemo actually has any form of strength. Anything Teemo can do, Jayce can do better and that is just one glaring example out of dozens.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Requiem+of+Bones

No previous ranking exists.

DemonBoneJangles1 votes

I doubt it would have my s4 ranking anyway since I changed my summoner name. alas there is no stopping you. however I would like to point out that for your dislike of teemo you sure play him a lot ^_^

9 X1 votes

It would have the data regardless of your name change.

I don't play Teemo anymore unless I feel I've been trolled in champion select. Then I just add on to the fire.

VoraciousX2 votes

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I apologize, I didn't say he was uncounterable or even unbeatable, the topic of the thread and the general idea of this entire post was the ask the question is this healthy for the game, allowing a champion to perform effectively in 4+ roles in the game with little in the way of strategic counterplay outside of have spellsheild or more burst. outside of that the one-shot champions you speak of can actually only perform well in 2 lanes without a lot of assistance to perform in a third

and aside from that you seem to have missed kayle in my post and focused on your very narrow scope of teemo, perhaps you should read the entire post before downvoteing something that is a legitimate question

Kayle has to get to late game to be effective, and she doesn't REALLY build the same as Teemo(he CAN built like Kayle, but usually either builds AP or a mix of AP and one attack speed item, maybe 2 in some situations, he's very flexible in build patterns). Kayle builds PURE onhit to be effective, this means she needs a lot of items to actually get to the point you're talking about. Also support Kayle is actually not good imo. She has a heal and a slow, that's it. If she uses her E, she's taking minions while poking, so I dunno where you got "Kayle support good". Also, support Teemo has to have a support's income, which means he no longer can take half the health of an enemy with one shroom like AP Teemo, and he can't right click+Q you to death like item 3115 item 3151 Teemo, unless he starts getting kills and popping off becoming a second carry. Support Teemo works because he has a blind, this allows him to blind the enemy ADC so they can't auto you while you can auto them. A good counter to support Teemo(or Teemo in general as an ADC) would be someone like MissFortune or Lucian who use abilities more than auto attacks, or someone who simply outranges him like Caitlyn . Teemo has a very short attack range, so support Teemo is actually really hard to pull off well. As for jungle Teemo, it's also really hard to get started as a jungler(I've tried it). You build more onhit kinda like Kayle though so eventually you become a late game powerhouse(assuming your game makes it to late game). Late game champions, if allowed to make it to late game, become insanely powerful. This is why if you let a Jinx start popping off, she's going to obliterate your entire team eventually while laughing maniacally. I wouldn't say that game health is really being obstructed by these champions being able to play multiple roles. Hell, I've seen Nightblue3 play jungle Lux more than once and do well. It's moreso about the player behind the position than the position itself in most of the instances you're mentioning because it's not something that is easy to do for most people.

Kayle was a mid laner, but now going mid lane isn't really easy for Kayle since it's easier for her to go top and harass melee champions. She's an easy gank there, but as long as she can get to late game she'll be good. Going mid isn't too amazing for her now, since she has to right click them to deal damage and more mages are outranging her autos. Jungle Kayle can also work, but her CC is pretty weak(it's a strong slow but she has no hard CC), so you could be putting yourself out if you opt into her instead of another jungler.

Btw I rarely EVER see AD on Kayle, unless you count item 1419 item 1416 item 1418 since it deals physical damage.

DemonBoneJangles1 votes

thank you though I didn't say they had to perform those roles to the level of a member normally associated with that role, they merely have to be effective, however I do like that you supported your comment with actual information as to why you feel the way you do and how kayle and teemo may or may not be effective in other roles. and yes I agree it has a lot to do with player skill, and outside of that its merely a question of health when more than a small group of people start doing it, but yes I see your point and agree with it despite my own personal experience with kayle and teemo, perhaps its just those games I had a bad jungle, or an uncooperative player on my team or even that I myself wasn't prepared for such a pick, but thank you for your reply and it has been upvoted to move past XYo's very unessicary and irrelevant post

thank you for being polite as well BONES [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

VoraciousX2 votes

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thank you though I didn't say they had to perform those roles to the level of a member normally associated with that role, they merely have to be effective, however I do like that you supported your comment with actual information as to why you feel the way you do and how kayle and teemo may or may not be effective in other roles. and yes I agree it has a lot to do with player skill, and outside of that its merely a question of health when more than a small group of people start doing it, but yes I see your point and agree with it despite my own personal experience with kayle and teemo, perhaps its just those games I had a bad jungle, or an uncooperative player on my team or even that I myself wasn't prepared for such a pick, but thank you for your reply and it has been upvoted to move past XYo's very unessicary and irrelevant post

thank you for being polite as well BONES [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

It's not a problem, I usually try to give valid arguments for my opinions or thoughts when I believe there might be a bit of misinformation or I feel the need to clear something up, or explain something to someone. It helps to give reasons behind things instead of one word(or sentence) responses. But yeah, jungle Teemo CAN work, it being good on the other hand is in the hands of the player behind him, and the opposing team's power to keep him out of the game. If you shut a Teemo jungle down before he's able to pick up, he'll be effectively useless for the rest of the game unless he somehow manages to farm up. Both champions need items to do well, so once they start getting behind it's hard to get back in. Jungle Teemo especially is hard because he clears camps so slow early on that you could probably kill him in his own jungle and take his camps. I'd imagine jungle Kayle would be just as hard to get back in, because she doesn't really have the luxury of farming lanes like top lane Kayle to get back into the game unless her team is nice or smart enough to give her the farm to reach her late game.

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