I just played a game with a Lulu support that maxed Q into E and late 20 minutes into the game only had a level 2 W.. even with Stormraider's Surge I couldn't go off on Kog'Maw while enemies ran away.
You do not max Q first as Lulu support. You either max or alternate between W and E, Q is the last skill you max.
JIDF Operative3 votesQ Max is usually the best way to go if you are winning lane. The damage and poke potential is really good for zoning and setting up dives
arcinex4 votesYou. never. max. Q. first. on. Lulu. support.
JIDF Operative2 votesWhy is it bad in every situation?
arcinex4 votesClarification: Never max Q as Lulu support with Kog'Maw as ADC.
Silly Neeko4 votesYou. never. max. Q. first. on. Lulu. support.
Its actually fairly situational. Same with almost every champ. That is your recommendation for lulu supports, but that is not a guideline for lulu supports. That is what you find works best for you. Others might find that maxing Q first for the extra poke and slow works best.
Sometimes you want to just poke the enemy out of lane rather than kill them because that will set the enemy back more than just flat out killing them.
Dracocrash2 votesits very lane dependant. Against A soraka/ezreal lane I will max Q.
xWaters4 votesSo soraka can heal the poke? Lol
Dracocrash2 votesI can poke soraka down and its not hard to dodge her Q's.
Her W has a high cd at early levels so you need to burst in fights.
chipndip11 votesE does almost as much as Q does. Why bother?
Dracocrash1 votesbecause I would like to use my E to buff my adc's damage.
Athenes Lulu2 votesnah you just max e
free unavoidable poke and you're pretty much a shieldbot anyways
though maxing w is nerf-proof and creates the best tilting results
qqpp2 votesQ does have poke but so does E. Having problems? E your adc. Giving the opponents problem? E them. Glitterlance is one sided and only does damage, while E can do damage, shield, has TRUE SIGHT (i often forget this), and can set up for plays with Q. With Kog'Maw I wouldn't alternate E and W. Although W gives an attack speed steroid, E gives pix so that Kog can boost himself and do more damage while being protected by a magical faerie.
Rákãñ2 votesWhats exactly is wrong when maxing Q first?
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2388703871/230598164?tab=builds
I do it plenty of times when I can poke often. It allows more of a kill lane.
ChaddyFantome1 votesWhats exactly is wrong when maxing Q first?
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2388703871/230598164?tab=builds
I do it plenty of times when I can poke often. It allows more of a kill lane.
Q is a shit skill to max. You get nothing out of it except base damage. The slow and CD stays the same at all ranks and its mana cost is stupid for the damage it gives. After its nerfs, it is a 1 point wonder spell. You get way more out of maxing E for better shields and E Poke and W for the Movement speed and attack speed buffs it provides.
I cringe when I see a lulu start Q as well >__>
Rákãñ2 votesThe main thing I go for when I max Q is 
, You can stack it up quick and have your shield/ult get some bonus healing out of it while keeping the extra damage that benefits going aggressive more. I find it works good personally, and some "smurfs" I've seen in ranked actually liked the build I did since it becomes easy to secure kills while keeping utility up.
ChaddyFantome1 votesThe main thing I go for when I max Q is
You don't need to max Q to get a full stack of Grail tho. Your Q stacks it even with 1 point into it because of its premidigation damage aspect, an the fact that your E does damage as well for stacking it.
have your shield/ult get some bonus healing out of it while keeping the extra damage that benefits going aggressive more.
Your ultimate doesn't Proc Grails heal because it is not a heal. Grail only procs when a heal or shield is used. And again, you don't really benefit from maxing Q when doing this as stated earlier because you can stack it just fine with 1 point into it. Even then, your E deals damage as well. You get both damage and shielding by maxing E as well as lowering its CD. All axing Q gives you is damage, and not even much of it.
I find it works good personally, and some "smurfs" I've seen in ranked actually liked the build I did since it becomes easy to secure kills while keeping utility up.
you actually delay all your utility by doing this since you get nothing from Q besides the base damage.
Rákãñ1 votesI recalled it took the charges last time. I guess I need to recheck it. I don't keep an eye on it really, I just play the game and focus on keeping people safe. Other than that, I do pretty well, that also could be because of being in low elo. Personally, I'm finding success with the build currently. Though, I'm always open to try other things.
The point being it was saying its better on a situational level where the extra damage output with Q, where you can still use E to shield allies at the same time. Besides, I'm decent with skills shots, as I can poke with Q all the time during laning phase. It adds up quickly with it ending them backing or someone dying.
ChaddyFantome1 votesI recalled it took the charges last time. I guess I need to recheck it. I don't keep an eye on it really, I just play the game and focus on keeping people safe. Other than that, I do pretty well, that also could be because of being in low elo. Personally, I'm finding success with the build currently. Though, I'm always open to try other things.
The point being it was saying its better on a situational level where the extra damage output with Q, where you can still use E to shield allies at the same time. Besides, I'm decent with skills shots, as I can poke with Q all the time during laning phase. It adds up quickly with it ending them backing or someone dying.
You get the same or arguably better and more consistent poke with E and Autos instead of Q, especially since Q's damage is neutered after it hits its first target, being lower on all subsequent targets.
Also, maxing E makes it to where you get more poke and shielding overall because it also lowers E's CD whereas ranking Q doesn't. This could result in you shielding using E 2-3 times in a fight at your leisure of the situation instead of being locked into all your CDs after u used everything once.
You aren't at all getting more damage out of maxing Q over E.
Rákãñ2 votesIts not hard to get CDR where it doesn't matter really. 10 CDR from 2200g Support item, 20 CDR with rushing a cheap 2100g and can finish it up with a 900g 
for a total of 5200 gold. And cheaper if you didn't complete 
and have 
build item.
Its not like I know how to land skill shots again, I play Ahri a lot myself. And her charm ability stops at first things hit. So I don't have much problems aiming between minions for a good hit, if they playing safe, they are still going to get hit. with a Q and auto if I got close enough, which is easy as Q can cause a slow.
Heck I did a ranked match recently, http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2467176375/230598164?tab=builds
I didn't go for and decided to go with 
and 
with 
and still did pretty well.
ChaddyFantome1 votesIts not hard to get CDR where it doesn't matter really. 10 CDR from 2200g Support item, 20 CDR with rushing a cheap 2100g
Good luck getting all that gold at 5 minutes into the game. <_> Cuz , you know, we are talkign about the scenario where which spell u max actually matters? The laning phase?
Its not like I know how to land skill shots again, I play Ahri a lot myself. And her charm ability stops at first things hit. So I don't have much problems aiming between minions for a good hit, if they playing safe, they are still going to get hit. with a Q and auto if I got close enough, which is easy as Q can cause a slow.
Considering Lulu's Q is 2 bolts and you are botlane with 2 people to worry about, this is hardly comparable.
Heck I did a ranked match recently, http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2467176375/230598164?tab=builds
I didn't go for
and you would more than likely have done better had you maxed E instead of Q. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Also, while Boots are pretty subjective admittedly, I recommend goign Swifties since they dont drop your MS to molasses when you so much as take a minion auto. For early CDR, I'd recommend Lucidity boots and then to switch them out later once you hit the CDR cap that support items make you hit.
Rákãñ1 votesI'm just saying its working for me, Not sure there is much to do better there from that game. I did pretty good and got a double on helping top lane who was 1 hit away from dying. By all means, I did my part to help and my carry didn't die.
ChaddyFantome1 votesI'm just saying its working for me,
I mean, that doesn't justify it. Just because you can get away with something in low elo doesn't justify it lol. You're are intentionally handicapping yourself out of stubborness at that point, lol.
Not sure there is much to do better there from that game.
Oi. There is always something you could have done better. that goes for everyone. If you ever tell yourself U don't see how you could have improved and use it to justify suboptimal play, you wont get real far.
Rákãñ1 votesFrom that one specific game. Personally I believe I played that right as needed. I worked with the team and obtain vision on was needed. Personally, I rather look more into game that I've lost or close games in terms of skill level. There isn't much you learn from on stomping on people that can't do much.
If it's truly a handicap, and once I get to the point where it show its inferiority to other build ways I'll make the changes to improve. So far it done right for me so far and I manage to win more often with Lulu with this setup.
I rather experience it for myself to see why it fails, not because someone else said so. Is it wrong experience something by trying it, over what someone else says? There are plenty points in league history where someone said it was stupid, and weeks later, it became strong in the meta.
ChaddyFantome1 votesFrom that one specific game. Personally I believe I played that right as needed. I worked with the team and obtain vision on was needed. Personally, I rather look more into game that I've lost or close games in terms of skill level. There isn't much you learn from on stomping on people that can't do much.
If you say so. Can't help the bullheaded and insecure it seems <_>
If it's truly a handicap, and once I get to the point where it show its inferiority to other build ways I'll make the changes to improve. So far it done right for me so far and I manage to win more often with Lulu with this setup.
By your own admission, because you are in low elo... whether something works in an elo you yourself deem mediocre shouldn't be your benchmark for success. Just saying.
I rather experience it for myself to see why it fails, not because someone else said so. Is it wrong experience something by trying it, over what someone else says? There are plenty points in league history where someone said it was stupid, and weeks later, it became strong in the meta.
You DO know that this game gets changes roughly every week right? Ofc things change after weeks time, lmao.
And for the record, i would recommend Ardent Censor as your item after redemption, not locket. ;p
Rákãñ1 votesEh? it really seems you have a hard time being nice really. I do build 
, I just don't go for the same build order every time. I build what is needed for the team to win. Like I currently have 73% win-rate with Lulu in ranked currently. And was the main champ that got me through bronze 4 into bronze 3 with ease. It's telling me I'm doing something right at least. I gone for locket as it's a better siege item when we're in their base. But I didn't get to use it as they /ff soon after.
Tensec1 votesI already know ur a kogmaw main
arcinex1 votesI kind of was in Season 5. This season I'm more of a Xerath main.
Salron1 votes"Never max Q"
Lol.
She normally maxes W second with E max anyways so what you should be saying it to max W second with Q max
Zelorxon1 votesI know, but in any elo below D2 either your adc is too stupid to trade on its own or the lulu player is too stupid to know what you're supposed to do, so yeah, keep spamming that leona bois.