So I tried this out last night for the hell of it since I figured Bard is all about that initial burst from his auto attack harass, so why not make it better? When I chunked that first squishy for half life with a lightning meep, I knew I was in love. It also helps his objective pushing power so you can roam and gank, slap someone with a lightning meep, then take their tower.
Seriously, it sounds dumb but try it, its actually amazing.
Bemapon7 votesAdd 
for more meep power! Its not very practical to get both, but it sure is amusing.
DJ Di01 votesAdd
AP Janna uses both in a funny way. More AP means more ad on your shield, which makes your attacks hurt if you get a crit lol
TheTyeGuy1 votesDoes Luden's apply to the stattik shiv proc? I don't think it would. It only applies on basic attack modifiers that deal magic damage, right?
Tis a nice day1 votesNot sure if bard's meeps count as a spell, but if they do they would apply Luden's.
TheTyeGuy1 votesI know that it applies on Jax's ult passive, so I would probably think it does on Bard's passive as well, but I don't think they apply on something like GP's Q or garen's Q since they deal physical damage.
Champion Skin2 votesPantheon Q - Physical damage, spell, will proc spell vamp and will proc Ludens Echo GP Q - Physical damage, auto attack, can crit, will proc lifesteal and on-hit effects and things like Thornmail
It doesn't need to deal magic damage as long as it is counted as an ability/spell that deals damage it works
Treyen1 votesthe type of damage it deals doesn't matter. ability=spell in this game
Tin Tarantino1 votes
not in all cases, the Q for all three of these is counted as an auto attack, so it won't proc spell affects and will aggro creeps.
s E does both
JustMyBassCannon1 votesLuden's Echo applies on spell hit, not magic damage.
That seems to confuse everyone. Basically put, an on spell-hit effect (Rylai's, Liandry's, Luden's, etc.) is the spell-equivalent of an on attack-hit effect (Frozen Mallet, BotRK, Statikk Shiv, etc.).
If the damage source is a spell--if it comes from an activated Q/W/E/R, is not an attack modifier, and does not say "applies on-hit effects" (referring to attack effects)--then it will proc regardless of the damage type. This is why, for a very long time, people asked Riot for an AD Spell Vamp item (particularly for Riven...*shudder*)
There are a few attack modifiers that can apply spell effects. The ones I can name off-hand are Jax's Empower (W, I assume this is because it can also apply to his Q, making it also a spell effect) and Grandmaster's Might (R passive, your guess is as good as mine as to why), Kayle's Righteous Fury (E, due to coding, it's a spell effect that requires a basic attack to acquire its target), Cho'gath's Vorpal Spikes (E passive, similar reason to Kayle except it's a short-range line skill shot), and Bard's Meeps (passive, I would guess it's because of the charge-based cooldown, but it's a totally blind guess).
Yes, that's right, Bard's Meeps can proc Luden's Echo. And his basic attacks--like any--can proc Statikk Shiv. So he can actually have a pretty impressive burst build on top of a pair of MS items.
SIayton1 votesYeah I didn't realize meeps applied Luden's echo till this thread. SO MUCH AOE AUTO ATTACK DAMAGE.
Lets make Bard OP lol
kile1471 votesJust kicked ass in a game with Bard using LE, I accidentally got fed early so I just ran with it and rushed LE. One meep AA and Q knocked a Victor down to half health and I was gone before he knew what hit him, so fun.
Apollocliptic1 votesAdd
I read the OP and my first thought was this. The two items could stack quite strongly on Bard for ludicrous engage damage
Meep Man4 votes
Dies to Wolves2 votesas illuminarnia said, luden's echo is the awesome
it applies on your meep auto-attacks along with shiv
UPfreely2 voteswouldn't sheen be a little more practical?
ArbiterOfTruth1 voteswouldn't sheen be a little more practical?
Lich Bane might be worth it since it adds mana to help make sure you can cast stuff. With the bonus movespeed from Shiv and Lich Bane roaming would be quicker, allowing Bard to pick up chimes to replenish mana.
UPfreely1 votesyeah, i was thinking a little more towards 
though.
Zarxis1 votesOn-hit bruiser Bard is fun. Wit's End and Sheen (Trinity Force or Frozen Fist) are fairly good on him.
FHMarshy1 votes:P build Bard like you would build AD thresh :p
Toothless Lion1 votes:P build Bard like you would build AD thresh :p
No. You build flat ad on Thresh.
GuiltyGecko1 votesIf you like that, you could play a standard support bard with 
. Your auto and meep both proc the passive, allowing you to do some heavy damage with 1 auto attack.
SIayton1 votesYeah that's standard. I'm trying frost queen's claim, static shiv, and luden's + the standard support items. Its surprisingly fun.
aaronconlin1 votes / 
Velasan1 votes
So what would happen if bard had a build that was like every movement item in the game?
Statik, Ludens echo, lich bane, twin shadows, etc. Would the statik and echo just go off every 2 seconds or something?
Madness!
IcyPepper1 votesdon't forget luden's echo
I Main Swain1 votesworks pretty well on our friend 
too
WutsKraken1 votesHmm...not bad. BOTRK seemed nice for busting down tanks but didn't work. Maybe Shiv or Echo would work better
DarkFaun Fortes1 votesWill do! TY
DynamiteGazelle1 votesI've been doing that for a while now, too! It really helps in the late game because Bard can clear waves AT ALL, but shiv gives him a much easier time. And of course the movement speed really helps as well. If you have less than 500 movement speed as Bard, you're doing it wrong..
Krigjer1 votesI've even been building Maw and Frozen Gauntlet to encourage myself to autoattack for the meep slow procs.
Adding Shiv to my build, thanks~
BluePolarizer1 votesimagine the GP10 with GP10 runes, avarice blade and coin. Making laner level gold without even farming!
Machaggis1 voteswit's end and shiv plus frost queen actually sounds like a nice combo add in frozen gaunt and you got your self a chunk build
Reikken1 votes
BOOM, autoattacks of doom
Apollocliptic1 votes
shadecrapper1 votesI tried this too. A while I tried him mid full AD. It kind of worked. But as a support it should be okay too
