Before you talk about itemization balancing, especially with all recent complain about 
, let me remind you mid lane is not just about mage and AD assasins. AP assasin & Marksman exist.
If you say AD assasin need better item because they get outscale, don't forget they don't get outscale by ap assasin. And Marksman will both build hexdrinker to deny kill and outscale ap assasin.
Ahris13 votesTraditonal ap mages cant buy h3xdrinker
Ahri Inari4 votesI was obviously talking about marksman building hexdrinker. AP assasin vs marksman is mage vs ad assasin but reversed. So for example saying AD assasin need strong item because they get outscale, it does not apply if it's a AP assasin. Marksman will build hexdrinker and at the same time outscale ap assasin.
I edited the original post.
LiteUpSketchers1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ahri Inari,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3lcokf9u,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-11-28T20:59:27.192+0000)
I was obviously talking about marksman building hexdrinker. AP assasin vs marksman is mage vs ad assasin but reversed. So for example saying AD assasin need strong item because they get outscale, it does not apply if it's a AP assasin. Marksman will build hexdrinker and at the same time outscale ap assasin.
I edited the original post.
Put this comment in the original post I still don't understand
Thefrostyviking1 votesBut,....but just like 2 days ago i was playing Diana, i and everyone else hit lategame.
My build was like this 
Against a Vayne that built 
In the middle of a medival teamfight (frontal collision from both teams) she made a tumble backwards to the side to avoid my leo´s ulti.
So i flashed W-Q-R-AA-(She flashed here)- R and i legit killed her through maw and phatom before she could even start her E after flashing.
Diana does not suffer from any problems about being outscaled x)
PaffWasTaken3 votesAnything who mainly scales with AP is disadvantaged, period.
The excess of MR and Magic shields that are in the game were just the final nail in the AP coffin who's already tacked as if Jesus was crucified on it 70 separate times in a row. Look at 
, he mainly deals magic damage but (oh, surprise!) he is still doing good, as if the AD itemization is far better...hmmm... Could it be that the AP item roster is way too weak, like the community was trying to tell Rito for the past 6 months? Yes, there are way too much ways to make magic damage hit like a newspaper on a mattress, but the main problem comes that theres little to no way to deal actual damage scaling with AP, even before damage reduction
Disembark1 votesBy what metric is Corki doing better than other mid mages? He has a lower win rate/on par win rate of mid lane mages.
It actually gets lower the higher up you go in rank.
Nyarlathοtep1 votesWait. Which ap assassin buy hexdrinker? I mean if he wants mr and dmg he can go banshees.
Eedat2 votes
Nyarlathοtep2 votesIm pretty sure banshees is far better than hexdrinker on kata.
Cocho2 votesIm pretty sure banshees is far better than hexdrinker on kata.
tldr 450 
isnt gonna do it for 
burst, and a 3000 
takes too long and delays too much
ad is good on kat early
LiteUpSketchers1 votestldr 450
Still hexdrinker itself is better on her than banshees
Salron9 votesKat has very good AD scaling making hexdrinker an excellent early buy on her
zaire901 votesTbh she gets outscaled in a different way she needs to get fed or when teamfights come up her jobs going to be difficult not gonna lie with all these missing resistances her job at killing people is easier than before but an adc midlaner can still mess her up by abusing her lv 1 and keeping her so low she cant fight at lv 2 and after and ad assassins still hurt her as much she hurts them. Also her damage is still able to be avoided since she has to wait about 2 seconds before it even procs
Jmman1 votesand jungle and top and bot.... wait a sec....
AirKingNeo1 votesMarksmen exist midlane? You mean two?
Ahri Inari2 votesAnd they are pretty dominant, just like when we talk about AD assasin, it's just about Zed (nobody care about talon). Meanwhile you have multiple AP assasin andRiot forget them for just few champions.
AirKingNeo1 votes'pretty dominate' but have sub 50% winrates and low playrates for most of the season
Ahri Inari2 votesCorki has good win rate. Zed has highest play rate and ban rate after Zoe (I guess everyone want to try her) in mid lane. High play rate usually decrease win rate so 51-52%% win rate on a high play rate very high skillcap champion is just too good.
Why are u talking about most of the season (those champion were still good before pre-season)? Pre-season change are huge. For example, armor removal on AP mid are more impactful than mr removal on AD. Because mage will mostly do AD damage with basic until they get some level up. There are many other explanation but this is just one.
AirKingNeo1 votesZed isn't a marksman. Corki is good right now because they overbuffed his base AD.
Ahri Inari1 votesMy bad, Zed isn't a marksman https://i.gyazo.com/87b7d7485d0a9e69ebeb9f915a9546ec.png
Poske1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ahri Inari,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3lcokf9u,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-28T18:30:44.884+0000)
Before you talk about itemization balancing, especially with all recent complain about
If you say AD assasin need better item because they get outscale, don't forget they don't get outscale by ap assasin. And Marksman will both build hexdrinker to deny kill and outscale ap assasin.
Most of assassins have way to deal with hexdrinker rush
Z3Sleeper3 votes
DeusVult2 votesand 400 damage from sheen?? Lol
Leblancs AD never hits 200, let alone in the early game. She'd have about 75-90 base AD, so 150-180 bonus PHYSICAL damage from sheen. That uses lethality which LB doesnt build
Poske1 votesand 400 damage from sheen?? Lol
Leblancs AD never hits 200, let alone in the early game. She'd have about 75-90 base AD, so 150-180 bonus PHYSICAL damage from sheen. That uses lethality which LB doesnt build
You can proc it 3 times within 2 seconds because of clone
For example at level 10 (which is when you have sheen)
6x times 82
thats what 492 physical damage. Half of it from sheen so 246
and thats not even best case scenario..
thats assuming you only auto 2 times with le blanc (3 is more realistic since she can animation cancel her aa with W) in 2 seconds And thats assuming her clone autos only once
realisticly i would do 8x times 82 physical damage if i wanted to One shot someone within 2 seconds.And that is just physical damage
3 le blanc autos 2 clone autos 3 sheen procs (Yeah 400 might be an exaggaration but I sort of counted clone base dmg with it)
within 2 seconds is 676 physical dmg. This is what happens when I Play her
I have a cure for hexdrinker with my best champion
2Charmnot2Charm5 votesLe blancs core item is sheen. good leblanc can do 400 dmg with sheen in 2 seconds
Sheen doesn't build into gunblade which is leblanc's core item.
Poske1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ahri Carries U,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3lcokf9u,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2017-11-28T23:50:24.382+0000)
Sheen doesn't build into gunblade which is leblanc's core item.
As a current top 100 Le blanc world and an ex #1 le blanc general le blanc main since 2009 gunblade is noob bait for le blanc used to be situational swap for protobelt. But since we got ravenous hunter.... 12.5% spellwamp you are already good vs poke
Le blanc core items are from most important to least important
and some rules:
You never get boots they are waste of gold (or extremly rarely and even then as 5th item when you have nothing better to do with gold) You want some AP before you get lichbane (ussualy after revolver + doran + Nlr + dark seal) You want to rush Ludens since thats when it is the most efficient (it has high base dmg meh scalling)
Build examples
Always rush > / 
(Sheen adds more tempo and damage, Nlr adds more waveclear) > (You get the one which you havent) > / (depends on gold how much ap you haveaether wisp builds into both) > Voidstaff/protobelt. I normaly prefer getting proto but sometimes you need voidstaff even this early on
I typicaly never get lichbane before i have 200 AP
Le blanc clone can be controled. You order it to aa and it procs SHEEN,REVOLVER,LICHBANE
You ll also proc those with yourself on top of clone.. (Cooldown isnt shared)
ludens is a core because le blanc is a champion who gets most out of it. + since lichbane is her core you dont need boots which just puts more value on ludens
When I see enemy rushing hexdrinker/mr. I just get sheen after revolver and i do not fuse it into lichbane before ludens and revolver
How to do 400 physical damage in 2 seconds?
AA>W (cancel aa animation, aa does get sheen proc thats like 160) > R>E clone spawns you order it to aa (clone does 160 physical damage), you also do general aa anyway so thats like 80 more. Before oyu blink back to distort you end with Q AA and proc sheen with real le blanc again
Thats 3 sheen procs. You can easly do 4 autos there. AKA A LOTS of phsyical dmg
Ahri Inari2 votesPoske1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ahri Inari,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3lcokf9u,comment-id=00050002,timestamp=2017-11-29T01:14:54.079+0000)
- Leblanc core item is ether rush gunblade or morello. Sheen doesn't build into any.
I guess you know better then #1 le blanc world. (I am curently top 100 but used to be first) HINT YOU DONT. I main this champion since 2009 Hextech revolver, sheen, and lichbane are her most important items
She gets 2x value of their passive because CLONE PROCS THEM
Morello rush was correct 1 year ago Gunblade rush was never correct it was situational swap for protobelt and you didnt even want to fuse revolver (till like 25ish minute) regardless due to revolver on its own being insane on leblanc. Nowdays there is no point in getting gunblade as a protobelt alternative against poke comps because well
Ravenous hunter exists, there is also ocean drake.
I would also suggest sheen rush against galio not just hexdrinker
Only bad Ahri players adopted le blanc build thinking champions are similar not realising le blanc can actually proc those items twice
- Katarina late game is dependant of team composition. She need to teamfight, get engage from teamate and no ranged waveclear (mostly provided by mid lane in most team composition) is a handicap for the team.
-Teamcompositions always matter, Only time a katarina main should be worried is if they have kassadin/lulu/blitz (I am a kat main) -She doesnt need to teamfight, Unlike old katarina her 1vs1 all in is good -But of course you dont mind teamfighting with her unlike with most assassins she is an AOE assassin which makes hexdrinker less valuable vs her. if you get 1 resset everyone dies if you are good despite hexdrinkers. yes sometimes hexdrinker/orb can surprise you if you arent aware of them.
- She already does true damage when everyone has 35 MR. You usually get at least 2-3 people not buying any MR. Plus her true damage is only a small portion of her damage. She's early/mid game, shine mostly mid game and her late game is slighly weaker than her early.
you seem to underate low magic ressist value. Difference between 5 and 10 armor/mr is insane compared to diff between 100 and 105 armor/mr Regardless of that yeah the base stat compensations left league more squishy
I do agree that true damage is pointless in a game with voidstaff/last whisper being ridicilusly OP. Which is why velkoz for example doesnt have a niche
Regardless Ahri Main damage source is her Q and I wouldnt suggest getting hexdrinker against her given that hex is a rush item and she maxes Q She also always offers charm to her team
- He's an exception, but you don't pick Kassadin into AD assain or marksman Honestly you only should avoid picking him against lucian. If enemy team has full ad comp and you want freelo pick kassadin. You dont have bad AP matchups and if they take ad you force them to be full ad
Surprisingly zed/talon arent as good into kassadin as people think they are. Mainly because you are enabling kassadin to hit W in a melee vs melee matchup. Stat wise they win by such a slight margin you cant even call them counters
Once riot finaly realises this 4 minute stomp meta is boring and nerf adc class on top of that. Once they change that Excpect kassadin to have 92%+ banrate.
Also AD mids are quite rare. 10% of a time you see an AD mid
Summon aery only makes kassa more cancerous
- Agree
- Agree
Dont get me wrong dude I hate hexdrinker with all my hearth. Hexdrinker used to be 2x times as powerful in a past which says alot about balance team
I am just saying surprisingly lots of champion arent to bothered / can adapt, improvise, overcome it
Ahri Inari1 votesI didn't know that about Leblanc, thanks for the informations, nobody play leblanc anymore. Defense formule is 100/(X+100) if x > 0. Don't worry I know that. But with boots sorceress, domination tree, void staff it's actually -5 Magic resist on someone with 35 MR, and nowaday many people will build hunting guise for even more penetration. So we agree true damage is not as valuable as it used to be.
Xurreal1 votesThey always have. Ashe used to be the Queen of mid.
Lucian seems like an up-and-coming mid-laner.
Let's not forget about Leblanc and Kassadin.
Evelynn has mid-lane potential too.
But I feel where you are coming from, meta doesn't mean "only thing that exists".
The acronym META is actually subjective in the sense that it is what "the most efficent tactic available" is depending on your level of play and is not necessarily a generalization of a META across the board.
