What if ad jungle item, built from tiamat

XxxLumberJackxxX··4 votes·627 views

Aside from making adjustments to campus so you can't Insta clear them...

Warrior is just an incredibly boring item that is never built in competitive and rarely in solo q. Most ad jungles are in a bad spot right now due to slower clear times which lead to weaker mid and late game. Most aren't even, upgrading to machete before rushing them at and then going back for cinder hulk.

We deserve better! Please @meddler

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{quoted} Warrior is just an incredibly boring item that is never built in competitive and rarely in solo q.

??? The statistics say otherwise (it is about equal with all the others). I think, however, since it is less flashy you just don't notice it as much.

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

Please find me 3 competitive games played in the last year where a jungler finished Warrior first item, or even second, or ever.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

It would have to lose the active component since that wouldn't mesh with Tracker's Knife.

I don't see Riot doing that since you pretty much never outright lose components of an item when upgrading it.

If they really wanted it, they could just build Tiamat before finishing their Jungle Enchantment.

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

Rageblade loses a million stats. This wouldn't be a stretch. And that's the problem. Building them at then getting sunfire or ignoring jungle item is almost always better

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

The only thing Rageblade loses is the attack speed (and I don't particularly agree with that either).

Anonagon1 votes

While I agree that an AD jungle item probably shouldn't build out of Tiamat, Riot has been becoming much more okay with giving component items actives and passives that their finished forms don't keep, like Serrated Dirk and Lost Chapter. There aren't a hell of a lot of items that lose passives when you upgrade them, but almost all of them have been very recent additions to the game.

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

Why? AP junglers, that ALREADY are known for being AoE clearers get mini ludens to help them clear even faster.

**They even get extra movement speed from component items even though most ap junglers have lots of movement abilities all ready! **

Who is the only AD jungler being played competitively right now? Reksai. Why? Because reksai can go tiamat then cinderhulk and still be tank early due to base stats (hence the nerfs to base stats). I bet anything she will still be played now but without the tiamat rush, and she will literally just be a flash/unborrow champion again with cinderhulk and sightstone.

Hooray, thank you riot for not addressing the real problem with Reksai, which is ap champs are crowding out ad champs in the jungle and only champions with ludicrous base stats can compete with them.

Sorry, sidetracked.

dominusx1 votes

i usually get item 1041 or item 1039 and then go into tiamat on most ad junglers. the power farming is great for Rengar Khazix Nocturne etc etc.

HIDA1 votes

I don't dislike the idea. It would allow bad AD junglers to be good. And great junglers to be OP though it would be insanely hard to balance as making the camps have more armor or HP screws ranged junglers (kindred, Graves specifically) and AP junglers that have to Auto (Zac, Diana) as it would put them far behind the curve time-wise for hitting their first spikes. So if there is, and I'm sure someone can look for it, a better way to balance it is think you could a really funny amount of diversity in junglers and more interesting builds in general.

TTK Dreadnought1 votes

I always wondered how it would be as a bad death's dance or sustain item for AD junglers.

HIDA1 votes

{quoted}

I always wondered how it would be as a bad death's dance or sustain item for AD junglers.

Most jugglers already have decent sustain it would be disgusting for j4 or Lee or Vi to gank you at lvl 4, 4 minutes into the game with full HP. Elise can do it and escape turret aggro. She’s good.

TTK Dreadnought1 votes

i already have lee gank me at lvl 2 with nearly all his health. what you talking about? lol.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

He only has to kill a single camp (which will have been leashed) to hit level 2.

Level 4 requires you kill 6 camps.

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

You wouldn't have them at art level 4... First back gold is 650 if you are lucky

Restless Slumber1 votes

I've thought about this too, but I think that they should just give warrior back it's armor pen and make the ad 45. I feel like warrior was in a perfect spot in that state, and allowed ad junglers more opportunity to snowball with the 10 pen it gave.

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