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Since this is the new bandwagon lets talk Mages vs ADCs

Inting Pillow·9/25/2017, 3:32:05 AM·2 votes·389 views

ADC itemization is cheaper and better, this is the current bandwagon. Sadly the boards are right on this one.

item 1055 vsitem 1056 equal item 1083 vs ???? Nvm fuck you mages. this item sucks but why do only ADCs deserve it? item 3035 vs ??? naaaaa y'all mages gotta get the full item item 3036 /item 3033 vs item 3135 freeloading mages expecting a useful passive on their penetration item just cause ADCs have them item 3087 vsitem 3285 of course it's fair for an ADC's item to deal 350+ damage while yours deals 150-200 and costs 600 more item 3508 vsitem 3165 barely the same item, but all mages need morellos, 3 ADCs need essence reaver item 3812 vs ??? Oh mages don't get sustain, and ofc you aren't getting something useful like 30% damage reduction item 3072 NO SUSTAIN FOR YOU item 1053 NO SUSTAIN FOR YOU item 3153 NO SUSTAIN FOR YOU item 3139 vsitem 3102 Hmm a shitty shield that can be popped even by ludens or an optional CC removal tool which gives a speed boost, and has built in sustain? item 3155 vs fuck equality item 3156 vs item 3102 oh shame you only have one MR item, oh yours can block ludens? Nice, mine actually stops me from dying at the time I need it. item 3026 vs item 3157 One guaranteed to help vs one not even a professional midlaner for cloud9 can activate item 3006 vs item 3020 ok finally it seems fair item 3031 vs item 3089 for 400 gold less you get a rushable, more powerful item

Seems fair and balanced :^)

13 Comments

crzymdscntst9/25/2017, 5:02:14 AM2 votes

I would say their itemization definitely needs a better overhaul than their last one.

After that, mages are not necessarily "weak", but overtuned and undertuned depending on the champion. Especially on frontier of things like, Riot making decisions for spellvamp being cycled out, because of specific champions. (Though admittedly that came from a composite of changes, generally always popping up on champs that are trouble to balance anyways.)

Items need to be independently balanced. Champions need to be independently balanced.

Champions and items being balanced based on one side or the other is creating situations where Spellvamp is nerfed because Vlad and Vlad is nerfed because spellvamp. I'm not sure the best way to say it, but a problem with Vlad in this example would be a problem Vlad might have WITHOUT the item and a problem with Spellvamp would be a problem without Vlad.

In this sense, I would say mages are lacking and cannot comparably compete on many levels. There is no longer an AP-carry as the role, but instead just a mid-mage/assassin, which basically is gank-power and burst-types. I think the objectives of a mage are quite hazy. You can play the mid-role as any other mid and that's fine, but picking a mage for mid is just that, being about as good as a lot of other picks. There is not really a high shining point for that class as a whole.

SuperCosmicHobo9/25/2017, 3:54:24 AM1 votes

Adcs have better sustain damage/ wave clear. Ap has a lot of damage in one combo, stronger laning phase sometimes. Though, mess it up, dead. Cdr reliant and not so good for ap champions.

Cocho9/25/2017, 4:19:48 AM1 votes

Would you say that mages are weak?

Khristophoros9/25/2017, 4:55:49 AM1 votes

Void Staff actually owns because it penetrates total MR. I don't give a fuck about "up to 10% more damage vs tanky targets!!!" wow. No. You get more damage out of Void Staff relatively speaking. Mages also have Greivous Wounds, it's just on a different item that also happens to have 20% CDR and 100 AP so it owns too.

Other than that you're right. Every other AP item sucks.