Why isn't Taliyah getting Lichbane?
Her spells seem to be around her AA range. Wouldn't a Lichbane give her a nice boost of dmg for each cycle?
Her spells seem to be around her AA range. Wouldn't a Lichbane give her a nice boost of dmg for each cycle?
You don't build Lich bane on taliyah because you have other core items that are more important for your utility, and you aren't supposed to be auto attacking half or more of the time when you use your Q. You're supposed to be moving to hit them and kite them around. When you auto attack you stand still.
Off the top of my head
is the only utility AP item that non-supp carry about.
And especially when I see Taliyah operate in tournaments she very often gets close enough in a skirmish/teamfight to land AA so I don't see why they wouldn't throw in Lichbane to the build.
If you try it in a game you'll understand pretty quickly why people don't build it
Well at least you admit you have no idea what you are talking about.
Its not that they dont know what theyre talking about... its that you dont know and would easily find out why if you tried it...
Simple answer is if youre close enough to land and aa, youre close enough to be hit by other champs aa.
The closer you are to another champion the less time you have to dodge their allied CC/skillshots and that can get you follow up aa, then another then all of a sudden youve taken a 3rd aa from the enemy ADC and youre dead.
Mages that dont have some kind of aa componet to their kit dont build it because aa isnt a useful componet of their kit and trying to get close enough to use it is just going to put them in easy gap-closer range of fighters, assassins, and ADCs with blinks/dashes.
Now I know youre thinking "But Tali has her E to stop dashes so..." leme stop you there... NO. It will stop some dashes, but as soon as its on cooldown you cant use that defense again... and therefore you cant afford to get close enough to use your aa again till its off cooldown... so if you cant use it without the protection you get from her E, why build it at all? Put something else in that item slot.
Maybe you disagree? Maybe you lack the critical thinking to understand the problems Iv put forth here... MAYBE (as TheGrot said) "If you try it in a game you'll understand pretty quickly why people don't build it."
Darling, you ignored my first statement.
The one at the very beginning of the thread.
Read that sweetheart and try again.
Do you mean:
Off the top of my head
is the only utility AP item that non-supp carry about.
Is that the post you're talking about?
"non-supp carry about"
#carry about
The word is care, as in matters to...
Your attempts at being condescending are as idiotic as your grammar. HAHAHA. I would say don't make me laugh (honestly its too late), but please amuse me more with your seemingly endless capacity to embarrass yourself. Go on, honk your nose more clown I'm sure you don't "carry" if you say something else dumb.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/carrying
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/about
Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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Oh man... you really did honk your nose clown... I mean... this is SO IGNORANT I honestly cant believe it.
OK, your own website links will be used against you. I will copy paste for you the usage sentences below the definitions:
carry
He carried her for a mile in his arms. This elevator cannot carry more than ten people.
He carries his knife in his pocket. He carries a cane.
The suitcase will carry enough clothes for a week.
now same site http://www.dictionary.com/browse/care?s=t
care
He was never free from care.
Their son has always been a great care to them.
She devotes great care to her work.
He is under the care of a doctor. With proper care, the watch will last a lifetime.
He left his valuables in the care of friends. Address my mail in care of the American Embassy.
Furthermore... you may want to look at the synonyms for those two words:
carry synonyms: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/carrying verb transport physical object
haul, lift, move, tote, transfer, transmit
Lets use a synonym (a word with the same/similar meaning) in that sentence.
Off the top of my head
is the only utility AP item that non-supp (haul, lift, move, tote, transfer, transmit) about.
That sounds like something an idiot would say; then defend as if it were correct!
care synonyms: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/care noun personal interest, concern
stress, bother, worry
Off the top of my head
is the only utility AP item that non-supp (stress, bother, worry) about.
There you go, once again I say HAHAHA.
Check myself? You bothered to go to a dictionary sight to throw word definitions at me and then tell me to check myself before I wreck myself? DO YOU NEED A FUCKING MIRROR SON!?
Cant wait for the next big red nose honk clown, go on, I know you have it in you. I'm counting the minutes till your next moment of goofy brain diarrhea. Maybe though, just maybe I gave you too much education, and after reading any/all of that you realized "oh damn, I messed that up." Probably not, people always think they're right, even when they go to a dictionary site for evidence that they should have noticed proves them wrong.
The word "care" doesn't have a version that is spelled "carry."
The only way for you to come to that conclusion is to forget that the word "carry" exists.
You forgot the word "carry" exists.
Now go ahead and play it off like you are a troll if you want.
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The word "care" doesn't have a version that is spelled "carry."
The only way for you to come to that conclusion is to forget that the word "carry" exists.
You forgot the word "carry" exists.
Now go ahead and play it off like you are a troll if you want.
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Yeah, I know it doesn't...
That is my whole point about how you don't know what words mean. CORRECT! Care is not spelled carry.
You used carry, when you meant care in your post... then posted links defending your use of "carry" as if it was correct. I'm just pointing & laughing at your colossal ignorance. You're the person trying to call people darling and sweetheart like you're someones mother concerned for them... ME THE TROLL!? Once again, DO YOU NEED A FUCKING MIRROR SON!? HAHAHA.
Man, keep trying, but carry will still mean to move an object from one place to another, and care will still mean to be concerned with.
Write down what you think "carry" means and then find some definitions and links to back it up... I dare you.
Here is Google for you: https://www.google.com/search?q=carry+vs+care&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=carry
Start there, then when you realize that people dont "carry about
" but instead they "care about
" I suspect you may explode, but if not...
Honk your nose when you have more silly for me. I mean this will get old eventually, but it hasn't yet. Take another upvote cause this shit makes me laugh.
Homie...I meant to use "carry"...
Champions have items in their inventory...
They "carry" the items...
They "carry" them "about"...
If thats what you meant, why not use the word "build?"
Everyone in this game says build, no one ever refers to they items they "carry." "Hey you going to carry about AP or AD Varus?" Yeah, youre making it up to not sound like ya fucked up.
It would make sense if anyone ever said that, but they dont, so good luck with that.
Homie, don't try to ignore the fact you forgot the word "carry" exists.
But I didn't, its why I told you "care" was what you mean...
You're the one who forgot care exists, or build, or any other arrangement of words that people who care about making sense use when discussing this game.
You're down to repeating yourself, and doing little more than then childish "Nuh-uh, you're wrong." Good luck in life.
glp is pretty good, nice survivability and the slow gives a free combo or flash on immobile champs
Her spell animations get in the way of weaving autos into her spell combos, so it's likely less DPS efficient than just casting more spells.
Well she could just auto after her combo.
Also I see a lot of Taliyah just throwing out one or two spells but still have room for an auto.
I don't get it because there are betters items out there and because usually you want to be constantly moving to land your q and to find new dirt as soon as possible.
I'd only buy lich bane as the last item if I do well enough. I usually just rush ROA, Liandry's, then rylai's.
I prefer Lich Bane as last item too. It just makes more sense to me.
Yeah. Once I reach late game with full build, I'll replace boots with lich bane.
I could see it being bought before swapping out boots but I hear yah.
I've found myself AAing quite a bit as Taliyah when I played her. Now her burst combo doesn't do very much. I don't find her fun to play anymore(so I don't play her) when you land a perfect EW combo and they're still over 30% health and right in front of your face. Now I kinda feel like her E is ONLY useful against stuff that dashes into you. Still autoing happens quite often when you're playing her, so I can see Lich Bane being alright on her. Still you'll want RoA/Rylai's before that, I guess you'd kinda be like a Kassadin in build path if you did that.
I used to build Lichbane On Ori lol.
I can see Lichbane on Ori. I think she has enough sniper power to get away with just going RAW DMG (especially with her ult) but I can also see her getting a lot of mileage out of Lichbane.
She definitely can but in some situations Q- AA- Q - AA to kite is more useful. It's been a long time though since I built it on her, like Season 4.
Yeah, it definitely creates a different rhythm for Orianna. Hell I could see her building more like an AP bruiser.
Ya, i remember it used to be fun.
I've seen on-hit Ori a few times.
I like to get nashor's tooth on her late game if I'm finding that I get to stand there and combo my shit unmolested, but that's a lot less common that it used to be. (old days when tanks were meta you could often get the stand there and combo away if you positioned well at the start of the fight).
I actually, think Nashor's is a undervalued item. Lets say this is our Oribuild.

Now I'm Ori and love CDR but I only have 20%, (assuming no CDR runes), I can either build a CDR Item and get to 30% and than 40% with blue (so limited uptime) or I can build a
to get the 40% cap plus another 80 AP (Which for a Last slot item would be better then any of the other AP items) but I essentially overpay for not needing the AS or On-Hit. I mean I've tried this in Arams for the lols, but in theory I don't think it's awful. Assuming you don't NEED Zhonyas/LB/Abyssal. Although a LB would give you more overall damage if you can get in for AAs.
I normally had Zhonya's (which now has 10% CDR but didn't used to back when I did this the most) instead of Liandry's, but otherwise that was literally exactly what my 6-items would look like with that build. Now that
is 35% AS, I would honestly seriously consider it instead of
on Ori if I think I will get to AA much in fights. I think if I do go
now I will get
last item in those situations since that doesn't waste CDR and I get the spellblade auto's to abuse w/ my 1.8 sec Q CD.
Ah, ya.
Thing is now, Morello, Sorc Pen, and Haunting Guise usually does true damage and makes you spike hard at around the 16-20min marker so Liandrys has become a strong item on most AP mids.
Ya I build Zhonyas but not as much as I used to, I find that most the time the active really doesn't do much if my team doesn't play around me. So I usually judge it by that fact, if they play around me or I absolutely need it then I'll buy it, if not I bypass it.
Yea, it's also only 70 AP and the active CD is 120 now, was 100 AP and 90 sec active CD back then. I still pick up
if I think it'll help me survive dangerous moments long enough to escape/do something relevant, but that's not always.
Ya, I agree with you 100%.
I just find I more times than not survive better without it based on the fact I'll just kill you 1st. It's a good behind item but even than a lot of the time it just delays your death.
You would lose more damage by stopping to Auto-Attack then if you were to continue moving onto new worked ground to Q again.
Not too mention you have more core items you want as opposed to it.
You could pick it up late-game, but at that point you're power has dropped considerably. You also want to avoid being in AA-range as much as possible so you don't get assassinated or dived upon late game.
I'm not sure about this but I think her Q is an autoattack reset but it works somewhat strange... you gotta click your target inmediately after firing Q or she'll just chill there for a while...
When I was fixated trying to learn how to use her I used to call an empowered lich bane auto her Sixth stone from Q
I also tinkered with AD... the result is interesting but obviously not as strong as her AP... I need to try something like Triforce + Rapid firecannon xD
Critaliyah was a thing briefly after her release. But it was mostly as a result of her E + W Combo being incredibly overpowered after subsequent buffs. The strong base damage allowed her to act as an ADC with AP Base damage. She lacked in AA Range however.
uhm while I think lichbane works amazingly with her Q, it doesn't works with the rest of her kit, E + W needs to be done quick and you can't weave autos in between, you miss 1 charge in there and then there's your ult that you shouldn't use to proc lich bane even if you ride it... I think the cd is shorter than the time it takes you to ride? not sure about that though lol
I agree that it won't be MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY but I'm pretty sure even people like Fizz don't go MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY when they use Lichbane. The one or two procs they get still does plenty of dmg.
She'd be better off with Hextech Gunblade or GLP then LichB. She's a zone mage, she shouldn't be in auto range to get LB procs off.
Ziggs, Lux and Viktor are three control mages that can afford to build Lich, but even then, they can usually build something better so they don't have to be in auto range of whoever.
Champions such as LB, Ahri, Fizz, Ekko, Diana, TF, Lulu, Akali, and to some extent Kennen, Lux, Ziggs, Viktor, and Orianna all have kits in which weaving a auto attack in between spells is beneficial.
LB, Ahri, Fizz, Ekko, Diana, TF, and Akali all basically need to weave AA's in for some reason or another (Outside of Ahri and LB but she has to get close to the fray to deal damage so Lich on her doesn't hinder her) TF W, Fizz W, Diana Passive, Akali Q, all proc with AAs, and Ekko is of course a melee assassin.
Ziggs has his Passive but most of the time hes a back liner. Orianna and Lulu, have the AA embuned passives with short CDs on their main damage sources that doesn't go much further then their Q ranges. It also Synergies with how Viktor's and Lux's Q and Passive work respectably. Kennen is generally a short range AoE ult bot so him having it is indeed a bit more damage to his already huge AoE AP burst.
Taliyah on the other hand wants to kite backwards more times then not, she generally doesn't want to stop and be in AA range as her kit allows her to be a pretty long range mage.
There are actually several champs that people typically leave lich bane out when building, including myself :/ It is definitely under used, its a great item. Would work well on Taliyah for sure.
I know I wind up leaving it out of my
build but I think that's because the rare times I get to play him the games don't go long enough for full build.
That sounds nice, gj muh dude. Most matches are short.
She has the short CD on Q to abuse it, but she wants to be moving while casting that. I've found when I've been playing her recently that I spend most of my time casting and moving, not much time to basic attack between spells and get the most out of Lich Bane. Pretty sure she can't basic attack while her Q is spamming rocks, but I might be wrong, in which case, Lich Bane could be very good on her.
she can autoattack while firing Q, not sure about it but I think Q is an autoattack reset too... the thing is that it's weirdly coded, if you don't click an enemy after you cast Q she won't auto even if she's in range but if you do she will auto while casting
meh, taliyah is supposed to be a "burst" champion but failed really hard . her Q is strong , but she isn't for a auto fights ... better Q the opponent which is only 1.8 sec cdr ..
I remember them saying she's a control champion, which makes a lot of sense giver her kit.
Also I never thought Lichbane as an item for AA fights, just a tool to increase dmg for champs who already operate at AA range.
Taliyah is not supposed to be a burst champion. She is definately dps.