Can someone explain why Ryze out trades everyone with only Tear+Catalyst?

Fisher No Chains·12/19/2019, 2:46:41 PM·76 votes·19,507 views

Title.

Why is this champ allowed to out trade people that build offensive items when he has 35 AP and only mana/HP items?

73 Comments

Sir Saltarin12/19/2019, 3:09:51 PM58 votes

Because he's blue so mana gives him power.

PhDs Nuts12/19/2019, 3:03:28 PM31 votes

Because he scales with mana as his offensive items.

The problem is he does damage by spamming spells, but scales with the same stat that lets him spam more. Tear is supposed to be an early deficit with late game scaling, but he gets a power spike out of it and is never really weak.

MordridtheBlack12/19/2019, 2:54:43 PM20 votes

because he gains damage from his mana pool

nm101012/19/2019, 3:20:07 PM18 votes

Because Riot insists on keeping all of the "iconic" features of his kit, even though he has been reworked like 6 times.

-Mana damage scaling -Spamable spells -Point and click moderate duration root -AoE damage -Waveclear -Late game scaling -And now his teleport

He has very few weaknesses and most of them are easily bypassed by abusing bad coding/bugs.

NuggetMilk12/19/2019, 6:35:36 PM8 votes

Since he scales to late game, he really shouldn't have the early game power that he does. Now don't get me wrong, some people beat him early. But he shouldn't be so strong early.

Bomei12/19/2019, 6:35:53 PM8 votes

I feel if they turned his Rune Prison into a skillshot, it'd give him a lot of counter play. He wouldn't auto land all his moves and his spam would be earned.

ranga11612/19/2019, 6:26:16 PM6 votes

riot are braindead clueless to balance thats why

Blue Shift12/19/2019, 4:56:44 PM6 votes

His base damage is incredibly high, he will actually out trade you before tear + catalyst as well, he will just suffer mana wise a lot.

Tear is a power spike for ryze because it refunds 15% of mana spent, as well as giving him the other good stats tear gives.

Ahris12/19/2019, 5:09:35 PM5 votes

Because he is late game champ, oh wait.

TreehouseAt211912/19/2019, 3:44:49 PM5 votes

Because it doesnt matter how much mana he has when he gets one shot by Zed, all inned by Cassiopeia, ball slapped by Syndra.

Mianta12/19/2019, 7:27:03 PM5 votes

I just had a match against him as gnar. He kills me once and I was shut out of lane completely. I rushed merc treads yet he chunks 3/4 of my health in one combo. I build adaptive next, then spirit visage. It never made any difference. I built pure MR, yet he'd take over half my health in one round. Consistently.

XDynamite12/19/2019, 7:17:25 PM3 votes

Because he needs an rework. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Hi Its Scirocco12/19/2019, 7:23:37 PM3 votes

because riot games balance team is so good at there job Ryze late game champ Who his power spike after item 3070

NelsieLisnen12/19/2019, 9:02:57 PM2 votes

He's always blue, so they made him always win to cheer him up, :'-(

Raiyza12/19/2019, 11:08:20 PM2 votes

Because Riot's vision of a "machine gun mage" is a impossible dream.

TheBrothersGrymm12/21/2019, 7:37:48 PM1 votes

Because conqueror is a failed rune and Riot refuses to just make it stacking ad or ap which would be good but no it has to heal aswell

RyzeRework12/19/2019, 5:17:40 PM1 votes

He doesn't

Ragnaveil12/19/2019, 8:17:03 PM1 votes

Because mages complained they are the weakest class, so Riot listened. Why else do you think AP bruiser itemization doesnt exist? The problem isnt so much him, more so the mage class in general ever since mana resourcing became a joke.