Notification when Reported: Instant feedback is too instant.

FenricsShield·Jul 18, 2015·79 votes·9,241 views

Recently, people I report seem to get instant notifications when I report them. I don't know if there's a name attached, or if they're just good at guessing, but invariably, after I report somebody, they then rage at me and redouble their verbal abuse. This has happened three or four times in the past week.

I report people because I am uncomfortable being verbally abused. If reporting people makes me a target for further verbal abuse, I am therefore less likely to report people. I'm sure it's not the intent of your system to make players feel punished for reporting people. Especially when the players most in need of reporting are the ones most likely to abuse you for hitting the report button.

I recognize and agree that the sooner people get feedback, the more likely they are to change. But seriously, could the "you've been reported" notification be changed to it pops up when you leave post-game chat? That'd be helpful to the people doing the reporting.

60 Comments

TrídentJul 18, 201530 votes

Yeah, it should be changed to after they leave the lobby

NebuulJul 18, 20156 votes

This, definitely. There is no reason for the person who has been toxic to have a reason to increase their toxicity to the people reporting them. Once they are out of the lobby, their only recourse to being reported is to contemplate their actions instead of further acting out.

JangoELITEJul 19, 20152 votes

Just like the honor system you only see it after you leave the lobby

All Day Tay TayJul 19, 20151 votes

after they leave lobby i get ppl adding me as friends so they can rage in chat. dont just say decline i had one dude try 10 times

Junsui AoiJul 21, 20151 votes

I blocked a guy who tried to add me like twice. I don't know how you have the patience to let it go longer than that.

ABlueQuakerJul 20, 20151 votes

Screw that, it should just come up when you log in.

MeesterMooJul 18, 20155 votes

This is important, nice catch

Dr PoroJul 18, 20154 votes

The notification should appear as soon as you leave the aftermatch chat. Most people just report the person that reported them back. This is the biggest cause of those undeserved punishments.

LuggJul 18, 20154 votes

Yes, it should report AFTER they leave the lobby, but I have seen it happen multiple times. Then the person who got reported goes on a tangent and reports everyone else in the game.

KrystorrJul 18, 20153 votes

If this is true, and it notifies the person, then that means I have never, ever been reported for anything. What. The. Fuck.

TrídentJul 18, 201512 votes

It only notifies you when you've accumulated enough reports in a given amount of games.

FenricsShieldJul 19, 20153 votes

I think this is indeed the case. I normally play in a pre-made group of 4-5 people, and we all have about the same standards when it comes to reporting people. Thus, whenever anybody starts being toxic in my games, they get reported by at least four people simultaneously, more if the other team thinks he's a jerk as well. That's probably why it happens to me more than other people; we've got a posse and trigger the notification pretty often.

Also, I think these notifications might be new as of the most recent patch. I haven't had this problem before the patch when Tahm Kench came out.

Marinaras TrenchJul 19, 20154 votes

It doesn't count more then 1 report per game according to Lyte because of gang reporting

FenricsShieldJul 19, 20155 votes

Lol. Good to know. Guess I'm just the lucky (?) guy who triggers the report notification.

The LexerJul 19, 20153 votes

That explains something. About a week ago I won a game, but felt our jungler was toxic, especially since we were ahead. I reported him and the next thing in chat was "wow a report? nice." I was wondering how he know

Matthias9119Jul 18, 20152 votes

Riot doesn't issue a pop-up warning every time someone gets reported, just if there are a bunch of reports filed against them in a relatively small number of games.

If the system chooses to present one, it's supposed to pop up after they leave the lobby. (Seriously, do you think Riot didn't think about this? The reporting system has been in place for like three years.) Occasionally people have claimed buggy behavior like this -- but I rarely, if ever, see anyone claiming to be the one getting the pop-up at the wrong time.

It's likely the player was fishing to see if anyone would admit to filing a report so they could counter-report them.

FenricsShieldJul 18, 20156 votes

Some people are indeed getting immediate messages before the chat window closes. I know because after I reported a person, they then (within seconds) said something along the line of "Lol %&%&ing brilliant you reported me for verbal abuse. Well that won't do %&%& because tribunal is down so ain't no-one gonna read that report, so you can %&%&% all you want but..." etc.

I then left post game chat. Wish I had the presence of mind to grab a screenshot first.

That person in particular probably knew it was me because I was the only person he had attacked all game. It's good to know our names aren't attached to the notification. And yes, I know the report notification only appears when many people report a person. (I know this because I'm sure I've been counter-reported somewhere along the line, but I have never seen the notification. Kudos to Riot for recognizing spurious reports, BTW!)

Matthias9119Jul 18, 20151 votes

Try the bug report forum? This has been mentioned as a possible bug on and off for a long time, maybe they can look into it again.

BearlyDangerousJul 18, 20151 votes

Keep in mind that if they see that you've reported them, then it means that you weren't the only person who thought they were an idiot. It takes quite a few people to set one of those notifications off, over a certain length of time.

I still agree with you though, the notification should be delayed until after post game.

Hello Friends 8DJul 19, 20151 votes

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Keep in mind that if they see that you've reported them, then it means that you weren't the only person who thought they were an idiot. It takes quite a few people to set one of those notifications off, over a certain length of time.

I still agree with you though, the notification should be delayed until after post game.

No it doesn't. I got a notification on my second game for " Negative Attitude " and I never even chatted the first two games. LOL

I remember laughing to myself and saying " What the fuck? I didn't even type anything all game. "

GavranJul 19, 20151 votes

I'm 95% certain that the notification doesn't mention at all what the reports are for. I cba to go find a screenshot right now but it's something along the lines of "You've been reported pretty often in your recent games, check yourself."

Also block people you're planning on reporting as the first thing you do when you get in post-game? It's pretty annoying that in-game mutes aren't equal to out of game mutes anymore though.

Also also, that notification isn't an indicator of the reports being weighted at all either, it happens any time someone gets more reports than normal in a short-ish time frame.

The WhamboozlerJul 19, 20152 votes

The system enables trolls and toxic kids. What else is new?

sealustJul 19, 20152 votes

mmm, this has happened a few times to me as well, but I would own up and tell them they were being a dick b/c I have a much thicker skin online then I do irl, lol.

Now, however, when I'm done reporting I leave the chat immediately afterwards: I ain't got time to deal with that.

To the point: having the person in question get notified in the post game chat is not cool, def should not be happening.

ScazieJul 19, 20152 votes

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Recently, people I report seem to get instant notifications when I report them. I don't know if there's a name attached, or if they're just good at guessing, but invariably, after I report somebody, they then rage at me and redouble their verbal abuse. This has happened three or four times in the past week.

I report people because I am uncomfortable being verbally abused. If reporting people makes me a target for further verbal abuse, I am therefore less likely to report people. I'm sure it's not the intent of your system to make players feel punished for reporting people. Especially when the players most in need of reporting are the ones most likely to abuse you for hitting the report button.

I recognize and agree that the sooner people get feedback, the more likely they are to change. But seriously, could the "you've been reported" notification be changed to it pops up when you leave post-game chat? That'd be helpful to the people doing the reporting.

I'm going to impart onto you a horrible truth, and I'll inevitably get down voted because of it because of how Socially/politically incorrect what I'm about to type is, but I'm going to do it anyway: You're a pansy, you need to grow some balls. If you're a girl then herp derp.

VentiraJul 19, 20152 votes

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I'm going to impart onto you a horrible truth, and I'll inevitably get down voted because of it because of how Socially/politically incorrect what I'm about to type is, but I'm going to do it anyway: You're a pansy, you need to grow some balls. If you're a girl then herp derp.

Just because there's a computer screen, keyboard, and probably a few hundred miles between you and someone you meet online does not make the words anyone says any less hurtful. Would you say the same if you received a letter with the same hateful vitriol, even if you don't personally know the sender? It's not pleasant having someone knowingly direct their hate and saltiness towards you.

Unless y'know, you're one of those people who's about as emotionally sensitive as a potato.

ScazieJul 19, 20151 votes

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Just because there's a computer screen, keyboard, and probably a few hundred miles between you and someone you meet online does not make the words anyone says any less hurtful. Would you say the same if you received a letter with the same hateful vitriol, even if you don't personally know the sender? It's not pleasant having someone knowingly direct their hate and saltiness towards you.

Unless y'know, you're one of those people who's about as emotionally sensitive as a potato.

Look, negative shit is going to happen in your life. People are going to say hurtful things, do hurtful things, and allow hurtful things to happen to you. How you respond to it is part of what defines your caliber as a person and, as much as certain people would love to create a world of safe places full of sugar spice and everything nice it simply isn't feasible. People have to deal with strife, especially men, it's been that way for millennia, and it'll stay that way for as long as our world persists, and you can't just roll over and cry every time it comes around. Now, the fact that LoL is a team game means that we have to interact with people, some of whom may be rather unpleasant. However, there are systems in place to punish these people (However effective, or ineffective<<< they may be.). Now this guy is saying that he doesn't like the fact that people can find out/make assumptions that he has used said system against them in hopes of having just punishment meted out against them....how weak is that? First off it's post game lobby, you could just leave after you report them and that's the end of the that. Second off, if you can't withstand somebody confronting you with words over a fucking computer screen then god knows how you must be in real life. Also, I can't help but think that there's something cowardly about the whole thing. Now, I'm not saying that it would be right to expose who reported who, far from, but making it incredibly difficult/impossible for someone to figure out when/where they were reported and by whom is pretty stupid as far as I'm concerned. Especially since there are some ingrates out there who simply report out of spite/for no fucking reason. As far as I'm concerned there's such a thing as too much anonymity.

VentiraJul 20, 20151 votes

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Look, negative shit is going to happen in your life. People are going to say hurtful things, do hurtful things, and allow hurtful things to happen to you. How you respond to it is part of what defines your caliber as a person and, as much as certain people would love to create a world of safe places full of sugar spice and everything nice it simply isn't feasible. People have to deal with strife, especially men, it's been that way for millennia, and it'll stay that way for as long as our world persists, and you can't just roll over and cry every time it comes around. Now, the fact that LoL is a team game means that we have to interact with people, some of whom may be rather unpleasant. However, there are systems in place to punish these people (However effective, or ineffective<<< they may be.). Now this guy is saying that he doesn't like the fact that people can find out/make assumptions that he has used said system against them in hopes of having just punishment meted out against them....how weak is that? First off it's post game lobby, you could just leave after you report them and that's the end of the that. Second off, if you can't withstand somebody confronting you with words over a fucking computer screen then god knows how you must be in real life. Also, I can't help but think that there's something cowardly about the whole thing. Now, I'm not saying that it would be right to expose who reported who, far from, but making it incredibly difficult/impossible for someone to figure out when/where they were reported and by whom is pretty stupid as far as I'm concerned. Especially since there are some ingrates out there who simply report out of spite/for no fucking reason. As far as I'm concerned there's such a thing as too much anonymity.

I think that's part of the reason why making it so that reported messages pop up after leaving post game lobby would be a tad more helpful. To help prevent spite reports, and wrongful banning/chat restricting (it happens, rarely, but it does happen.) It would also not give the reported person in question a further reason to sink further into the Salt Horizon, because if you're out of the lobby, you have no one else to fume and rail at. Perhaps the OP was being a bit oversensitive, but it still feels like a good idea.

I think that's what the OP was originally trying to get at, mainly, was just making it so Reported message pop up after they leave the lobby. It makes sense, y'know?

SnugglePuggle94Jul 20, 20151 votes

Sure there are people that say hurtful things, but doesn't mean you have to be. Saying he needs to grow some balls is not cool. The OP is just trying to make sure he's not abused anymore than he already is and you say that to him. Wow. He has a good request, you and others on here don't need to bash him for it.

FenricsShieldJul 19, 20154 votes

Attitudes like yours are why the League social scene is so toxic. Assuming verbal abuse is "just part of the game" and should be embraced as part of the league culture is counter to everything the riot player behavior team has been doing.

If you have an atmosphere in which rude people are allowed to do whatever they want, the nice people will leave, and you will be left with nothing but rude people. The ones you call "pansies without balls" are more likely to forgive you when you make a bad call, initiate too early, underestimate a skillshot's length, or try out a new role. They're more likely to complement your playstyle, be friendly in post-game chat, and help new players in the on-boarding process. Pushing them out of the community would be a horrible mistake.

Would you rather play with nice people or rude people?

If you want to have an environment in which you can say whatever you want, then you deserve the cesspool you end up in. But I don't want that cesspool to be in the game I play.

ScazieJul 20, 20151 votes

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Attitudes like yours are why the League social scene is so toxic. Assuming verbal abuse is "just part of the game" and should be embraced as part of the league culture is counter to everything the riot player behavior team has been doing.

If you have an atmosphere in which rude people are allowed to do whatever they want, the nice people will leave, and you will be left with nothing but rude people. The ones you call "pansies without balls" are more likely to forgive you when you make a bad call, initiate too early, underestimate a skillshot's length, or try out a new role. They're more likely to complement your playstyle, be friendly in post-game chat, and help new players in the on-boarding process. Pushing them out of the community would be a horrible mistake.

Would you rather play with nice people or rude people?

If you want to have an environment in which you can say whatever you want, then you deserve the cesspool you end up in. But I don't want that cesspool to be in the game I play.

There's a system in place that allows said player to report another in hopes of them being punished. This guy wants said system to be changed because the fact that people can find out that he has reported them makes him feel uncomfortable and sad. lol k. Also Pansy doesn't equate to genuine good guy. Someone could have a negative temperament and still be a pansy - i.e the guys who get salty because they're feeding and you won't give them blue, and then decide to act out against you and be spiteful are just as much of a pansy as the guy who gets offended over one small thing, and tries to ignore you for the rest of the game (Thinking that doing so is the right thing, when in actuality he's just trying to avoid what makes him 'feel bad'), sometimes to the detriment of the team effort, and then reports you afterwards for little to no reason.

And I'd rather play with tryhards, when it comes to Ranked I could care less about whether someone is a rager or nice guy, as long as they try their damned hardest to win while there's still a chance.

And in terms of normals, some of the people that I've had my funnest games with were, by your standards, rude or troll. Because it's the people who, by your supposed standards would be classified as nice, that were oversensitive, couldn't take a joke and got offended to a point that it was clear that any further communication with them would be pointless.

Bottom line is that this guy can't deal with confrontation, and he wants the system to be changed so that he can avoid all traces of it. So no, I wouldn't want to play with this guy, because I'm betting that he's quick to give up when things look bad.

SnugglePuggle94Jul 20, 20151 votes

Wow, what an assumer you are, assuming this guy "gives up" when things aren't going his teams way. You can't tell that from his post. Stop it. You are being a rude, negative person and attacking this guy for no reason. People like you are reasons why we report.

ScazieJul 20, 20151 votes

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Wow, what an assumer you are, assuming this guy "gives up" when things aren't going his teams way. You can't tell that from his post. Stop it. You are being a rude, negative person and attacking this guy for no reason. People like you are reasons why we report.

People who are poor at facing or handling confrontation are often defeatists who are quick to give up. This guy has outright stated that any kind of verbal abuse affects him deeply (When it shouldn't, you're not emotionally invested in these people, shrug that shit off and move on) and has complained about something super minor because he fears potential future verbal abuse, and also fears that ex-teammates can figure out that it was him who reported them and fears that these guys, upon finding out, may try to hold him accountable in whichever perverse way they could imagine. That's basically what this all boils down to. The OP is oversensitive.

Yes negative behaviour needs to be punished. But that doesn't mean that it's okay for you to run from it at every turn, never learning to handle it, and instead saying that someone else should make concessions for you so that everything and anything that makes you feel bad disappears, so that you can live in your nice fluffywuffy world.

FenricsShieldJul 20, 20151 votes

Most of the time I get raged at because I refuse to surrender. Something along the lines of "Why are you %#%# wasting my time? How the #%#% do you expect to win this?"

So your post is pretty much wrong.

Lol.

SnugglePuggle94Jul 20, 20151 votes

How does this guy show he is poor at facing confrontation? Yes it affects him because its VERBAL abuse, no one likes to be @#$# at. He is not oversensitive, he is just requesting for a simple plan to be put into place. He does not run from it, and I'm sure he learns to handle it, so stop assuming.

ShifuneJul 20, 20152 votes

Something that often happens to me is that when I report someone and they notice, they will find some random excuse to report me back. I've literally stopped reporting people for fear of them falsely reporting me as "pay back." I still report afk's though, since they can't report me.

azrolatorJul 21, 20152 votes

I think most of the people commenting here about how Riot should disable the report system and talking about how reporters of verbal abuse are whiny pansies are probably the very trolls that are being reported. I shouldn't be surprised anymore. But I am always shocked still to read people talk about how people should expect to insulted by jerks every time they play a game and accept it as part of life. I have rarely been treated as rudely in person while playing a game as here, but if I was, I would expect to have a talk with the host and let them know the behavior of their other guest was clearly out of line and not expect to have us both back at the same time again. If she turned around and told the jerk what I had said while we sat there, I would feel pretty insulted. I think if you can't understand the point the OP is trying to make, then you really need to go play some games with others in person and find out how it is in the real world. When you sit down to play a game with a stranger and insult them over and over then you realize you are lucky that Riot is so lenient with the trolls.

FlaminMoeJul 19, 20151 votes

If the person I reported sends me a friend request I usually accept it and then SS the chat logs as I might be able to use it later.

FenricsShieldJul 19, 20152 votes

Sometimes the person I report sends me a friend request and then apologizes for his behavior. That sort of makes me wish there was an "Unreport" button.

Junsui AoiJul 21, 20151 votes

I've had that happen once. I was literally so shocked by it I had no idea how to respond. But really, its so appreciated when people realize they were being douches and do that.

Junsui AoiJul 21, 20151 votes

I SS and then I send it to rito. As a kinda second screw you too report. That, and I record most of my games nowadays. So I have video too.

LateralJul 19, 20151 votes

Idk, I love to see their salty tears when they get that popup on their screen after being toxic all game.

Hello Friends 8DJul 19, 20151 votes

What do you consider verbal abuse?

I've had tons of people say it is " toxic " to say stop feeding. People get too butt hurt. There is a MUTE FUNCTION.

Just mute whoever is saying things you don't like, and you no longer have an issue. Right?

FenricsShieldJul 19, 20151 votes

Quick question: Does mute also mute them in post-game chat?

Junsui AoiJul 21, 20151 votes

It used to block the person, but people got tired of accidently blocking buddies. So now it no longer mutes post game.

I feel that they should have a mute button added alongside the block. Because sometimes they're weren't bad enough to block, just stupid enough to mute. And keep them muted until I leave lobby.

SoMNiaJul 20, 20152 votes

Unless you have reason to believe someone is dying on purpose, IT IS TOXIC to say "stop feeding". Like, no kidding, really? Dying and giving the enemy gold is bad? Who would have guessed? I totally died because I had no idea it mattered, and now I know better.

PFFT. No. Don't tell people this. It's ridiculous. If you have something constructive to say that will help someone stop losing fights in lane, it will NEVER take the form of the phrase "stop feeding".

FenricsShieldJul 20, 20152 votes

"Stop feeding" can be good advice, but it could be better worded. I'd rather say something along the lines of "Don't initiate; you don't have enough damage. Farm under tower to get gold; wait for the teamfight stage." Same concept, but it's more specific and helpful and also less likely to be taken wrong. Problem is, it takes a lot longer to type, so people say "Stop feeding" instead because it's fast enough to type between last hitting minions.

When people tell me to "Stop feeding" I mentally translate it to "You're picking bad times to all-in, play defensively until teammates arrive."

SoMNiaJul 20, 20151 votes

Fair enough. I can understand how it might be a cue for someone to refocus and play defensively. I guess I just kind of assume people know that dying is bad. If they understand what's making them die, they probably already know what to do, and if they don't, I don't think it'll help.

grLKQ9ma0oJul 20, 20151 votes

Literally everyone knows that, and you're still being toxic. Basically what you're telling them is "I'm smarter than you and I'm going to tell you how to play the game so suck my nuts."

If you want a good way to say it, how about "If you can farm under tower and stay even in XP, I'll roam in a few minutes after I push this wave and we can get you caught up."