A simple buff to Thornmail.

Lordk0z·Jan 19, 2015·3 votes·514 views

Now applies Grevious wounds for 1.5 seconds when target attacks you. This is largely because lifesteal shuts Thornmail down hard.

9 Comments

disregardableJan 19, 20152 votes

Thornmail doesn't need a buff.

RebonackJan 19, 20152 votes

I would rather see Thorn return ALL sources of physical damage.

Because watching Zed blow himself up on the Tank would be hilarious.

BroreliaJan 19, 20151 votes

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I would rather see Thorn return ALL sources of physical damage.

Because watching Zed blow himself up on the Tank would be hilarious.

Yeah I like watching someone do that in Dota 2

Except for the time I did that while playing Phantom assassin.

4.5 times damage crit blew me up

TeemoJenkinsJan 19, 20151 votes

The only time I buy Thornmail is when an AD aspected character is fed beyond all reason and belief.

BroreliaJan 19, 20151 votes

interesting idea

Perhaps if thronmail had an active say

For the next 3 seconds anyone who attacks the owner of the thornmail will have grevous wounds applied for 3 seconds

This would make it something that is not always over bearing but would allow for a tank to be something that a carry regrets attacking for a time.

Lordk0zJan 20, 20151 votes

That's why I made it an extremely short duration. The intention is that the healing gained from lifesteal against a target with thornmail is halved.

BroreliaJan 20, 20151 votes

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That's why I made it an extremely short duration. The intention is that the healing gained from lifesteal against a target with thornmail is halved.

Well it shouldn't be something that applies every time someone attacks then every time though

That is why I am saying an active would be iverall better on it since you use it right as you go into a fight.

Lord DusteonJan 19, 20151 votes

Thornmail: You take half damage from physical damage and the attacker takes 30% damage, pre mitigation, on autoattacks back as magic damage.

200 armor vs 500 AD + 100% crit (not really realistic but makes the math easier): you take 333 damage per attack, they take 300. With 20% lifesteal, they take 233 damage.

300 armor vs 500 AD + 100% crit : You take 250 damage per attack, they take 300. With 20% lifesteal, they take 250.

Vs Last Whisper

130 armor, you take 435 damage per attack, they take 300. With 20% lifesteal, they take 213.

195 armor, you take 339 damage per attack, they take 300. With 20% lifesteal, they take 232.

You'd need ridiculously high amounts of lifesteal to actually counter thornmail. Even if a carry had 100 MR (Requiring them to get 70 MR from items/runes/masteries), they'd still need 32.6 lifesteal and last whisper just to stay even with 200 armor.

BroreliaJan 19, 20151 votes

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Thornmail: You take half damage from physical damage and the attacker takes 30% damage, pre mitigation, on autoattacks back as magic damage.

200 armor vs 500 AD + 100% crit (not really realistic but makes the math easier): you take 333 damage per attack, they take 300. With 20% lifesteal, they take 233 damage.

300 armor vs 500 AD + 100% crit : You take 250 damage per attack, they take 300. With 20% lifesteal, they take 250.

Vs Last Whisper

130 armor, you take 435 damage per attack, they take 300. With 20% lifesteal, they take 213.

195 armor, you take 339 damage per attack, they take 300. With 20% lifesteal, they take 232.

You'd need ridiculously high amounts of lifesteal to actually counter thornmail. Even if a carry had 100 MR (Requiring them to get 70 MR from items/runes/masteries), they'd still need 32.6 lifesteal and last whisper just to stay even with 200 armor.

Well there is also the MR factor since 100 MR makes that 15% magic damge taken down from 30%