Its very frustrating that a adc like lucian, mf, jhin, can all rush ghostblade and duskblade. And have almost 0 penalty. These items are meant for assassins and or fighters, but adcs are building them. Do you guys plan on fixing any of these current issues? If so what do you plan to specifically look at?
RiotMeddler45 votesWe'll be making changes to Ghostblade and Duskblade in the pre-season, along with some other AD assassin items. Some of that will involve raw stat changes (e.g. shift some power to out of combat movement speed which assassins like much more than ADCs do given they roam/flank). Some of that will involve changes to the unique effects on those items (details still being determined, almost certainly involves taking the AS off Ghostblade's active though, given that's more an ADC than assassin stat).
VoraciousX11 votesWe'll be making changes to Ghostblade and Duskblade in the pre-season, along with some other AD assassin items. Some of that will involve raw stat changes (e.g. shift some power to out of combat movement speed which assassins like much more than ADCs do given they roam/flank). Some of that will involve changes to the unique effects on those items (details still being determined, almost certainly involves taking the AS off Ghostblade's active though, given that's more an ADC than assassin stat).
What will happen to Twitch in this case?
Qiy4na2 votesrunaan's ie?
RiotMeddler17 votesDon't know yet. We're currently trying to decide whether or not we should make any changes to the way his stealth functions. We're taking a look at all stealth users, since we're adjusting a few stealth effects already and tweaking some of the detection rules. Once we know what we're doing there we can consider his balance state.
AMYS GRAVE7 votesWhile the topic of assassins has come up, are there any plans for zed? He's been the most/second most banned champion for months now.
RiotMeddler20 votesCurrent plan is some smaller scale work on him. Part of that will involve making him slightly less universal a pick (so better against some comps than others compared to his current state).
TotalJerk11 votesA common complaint I always see when Zed is in meta is that even when you shut him down he can just splitpush all game. Maybe go after the waveclear item synergy a bit?
Sire Hippington3 votesless the waveclear, more the tower-damage. Any melee ad that focuses on damage gets easy waveclear from hydra when it comes for splitpushing.
IGotScuttleCrabs2 votesPretty sure the biggest complaint is his safe laning, more specifically wave clear
Naut1 votesGiven that you're removing the attack speed active on Ghostblade, is there any plan to compensate other champions that either rely on it or use it quite well, such as Vayne and especially Twitch, or will they not be touched as Ghostblade was not intended to be in their standard itemset to begin with?
Motel 6 Rat1 votesAny item that is intended for use on assassins is borderline intended for Vayne and Twitch, as both of them have assassin-esque kits and playstyles.
LatetotheRace1 votesTwitch maybe, Vayne is simply a skirmishing anti-tank and NOT an assassin. (I've also yet to see Vayne build Ghostblade.)
Motel 6 Rat1 votesOne of Vayne's most popular builds right now is a ghostblade rush into tri-force.
I don't know where you're playing elo/gamemode wise but if you aren't seeing ghostblade on Vayne that's a problem related to who you play with.
Vayne is right along Twitch with kits that are good for assassination and 1v1ing.
LatetotheRace1 votesI rarely if ever see vayne with ghostblade in high gold-mid plat elo, so I don't know what you're on about.
The Blue Rajah3 votesWhat about Quinn? Her assassin playstyle is greatly preferred by the majority of her players, and ghostblade is core to it.
I just ask that you keep her in mind.
LatetotheRace1 votesJust building her ad...? Like a marksman, which she is? In what way does this make her an assassin. Besides she'll still be able to gank at the speed of light. The problem stems from the fact that people think marksmen need the mobility/attack speed steroid. They were fine before everyone started taking it.
oscar the grouch1 votesChanges to the way his stealth functions? Just bring back toggle stealth, problem solved. :^)
Nagoh Shan1 votesBut isn't ghostblade a generic AA item, not a specific assassin item?
I'm just wondering if it's so much a problem that the meta has shifted from "Everyone builds AS/Crit" to "Some build AS/Crit and some build ARP/AD"? It's very powerful that a marksman can stack itemization that effectively reduces the effective health pool of a champ by 40% or more, but would everyone going 100% crit plus AS be that much better?
It may need to be done, but what will you guys be looking at to ensure build diversity, or that other ADCs don't fall behind after homogenization? MF, Jhin, and Varus really rely on these types of builds due to their dependence on high base damages which scale fairly poorly with Crit/AS itemization. Maybe some crit scaling on Lovetap/Blighted Quiver, or some looking at Jhin's stat conversion rates?
Spaceman5pff7 votesVarus (fun fact) was conceptualized as an AD Mage for the Mid Lane when he was being developed. The idea was for him to be a sort of AD Xerath, thus he isn't meant to scale well with Crit compared to other marksmen.
Miss Fortune has an attack reset and an attack speed buff, as well as an ult that can crit 14+ times. She CAN scale well with crit, it is just that her current state means she scales better with the available pen. Jhin is DESIGNED to scale well with Zeal items due to his passive. He is just another example of Pen scaling better atm.
blackfootedfox1 votesAny idea why adcs are going for the assassin armor pen items rather than their own?
New Tool Album2 votesbecause this is a tank meta, armor pen plus 
etc. are necessary at the moment, tanks are just to ridiculous, not to mention mages have access to incredible powerful stuff such as 
and most of those listed have quite a bit of health on them, these are the non mage items that are similar to those 
mages have access to good stuff, we should have some stuff, mages are going to get stupid if they nerf all of the ad items in the game
TeCoolMage8 votestank meta: "WHY AM I DYING IN 2 SECONDS"
GULAG 4 U1 votesYou don't
LatetotheRace1 votes
can do 2-4k damage in that 4th shot, clearly tanks are in an okay state.
GULAG 4 U1 votesExcept khan doesn't deal 2k damage in one shot?
Sire Hippington2 votesit's not adcs on generall, but a few, which are CASTER-based. They are essentially ranged ad-casters, that focus mostly on spells rather than AAs and synergies rather poorly with AS, which is hard-linked to crit due to zeal. They synergies well with AD, CDR and PEN however, so it shouldn't be any supprising at all that those champs use items that grant their primary stats rather than going for crit+as.
BakeRoIIs1 votesbecause they wanna be able to do stuff before 3 items. and some just because they see the pros/streamers build it. maybe also for variety purposes. building crit on almost every adc would be a little boring.
Picanha961 votesbecause they wanna be able to do stuff before 3 items. and some just because they see the pros/streamers build it. maybe also for variety purposes. building crit on almost every adc would be a little boring.
What's up are getting any notifications?
BakeRoIIs1 votesya why?
Picanha961 votesya why?
BakeRoIIs (EUW) - about a month ago
yeah i deleted a comment because i had written complete bs. and yes i was wrong about the grade 1 thing. mixed up actual linear transformations (where the grade is 1 by definition) with "linearity" in terms of just a constant gradient. shouldve thought about before writing. also just noticed that the definition of diminishing returns on the english wiki seems to vary somewhat from the one on the german wiki o.O anyways were just arguing over terminology here and probably youre right in the end. important thing is that we both know how it works generally (even if one of us apparently doesnt know how to formally describe it and therefore gets on peoples nerves on the forums. trololol) ill end this discussion here. far to tiring. thanks for your patience and good luck with your studies.
Picanha96 (EUNE) - 3 days ago
http://champion.gg/statistics/#/?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
http://ask.fm/RiotFeralPony/answers/138457318150#_=_
Enduring. 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
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Looks like you didn't receive my message and a replied to myself...
So In the Diminishing Order of Importance...
1 Specific Champs Ability Stacking
1 + 1% + 1% + 1% + 1% + n times = (100/100 + 1 / 100) ^ n
If n=100 1.01 ^ 100 = 2.70481382942 =/= 2
This Makes less Strong than He Appears.
2 Effective Health in regards of the Resistances.
3 Effective Damage in regard of Penetration
4 Cool-down Reduction Stacking and Capping
5 Attack Speed Stacking
6 Attack Speed Capping
You should find my arguments in my Essays on the Boards...
TANK LACK OF IMPORTANCE IS PRESSING
Aptest6 votesIs it a problem that ADCs get the same power spike at a similar timing, that Assassins get? If so, why?
chubs12242 votesThe problem is most assassins have a big power spike at either lvl 3 or lvl 6 after that they either need to snowball or they become inefficient at their job. ADCs are designed to be nearly useless early (hence why they need supports) but they scale extremely well with gold nearly solo winning teamfights late game. So when the ADC start having a big powerspike at around 10 to 15 minutes they never fall off compared to an assassin and become oppressive to other champions that dont utilize armor pen as well.
Rebonack10 votesWe'll be making changes to Ghostblade and Duskblade in the pre-season, along with some other AD assassin items. Some of that will involve raw stat changes (e.g. shift some power to out of combat movement speed which assassins like much more than ADCs do given they roam/flank). Some of that will involve changes to the unique effects on those items (details still being determined, almost certainly involves taking the AS off Ghostblade's active though, given that's more an ADC than assassin stat).
Ghostblade losing its attack speed wouldn't bug me much.
HOWEVER the game is seriously lacking in items that focus on AD and Attack speed. There isn't anything that builds out of 
+
, for example. Or a BF sword and whatever IAS item you want to throw in with it. AD+IAS should be just as much of a viable build-path option as Crit+IAS.
Aptest2 voteswhy is that a problem? what is the justification?
"this option does not exist" is not good justification. because maybe some options should not exist.
Rebonack9 voteswhy is that a problem? what is the justification?
"this option does not exist" is not good justification. because maybe some options should not exist.
Maybe someone wants to focus less on damage to champions (Crit/IAS) and more on damage to objectives (AD/IAS)? Or maybe they have abilities that scale with AD, but not Crit, and therefore are more interested in the attack damage? 'I am willing to sacrifice late game auto-attack damage vs champions for more burst/objective control' should be a perfectly valid decision.
Aptest1 votesI do not accept this reasoning. maybe the correct answer is "you do not get to make this itemization choice"
Anyway, your argument amounts to this: ghostblade to stay as is.
Rebonack13 votesI do not accept this reasoning.
Good thing you aren't on the live balance team, huh?
maybe the correct answer is "you do not get to make this itemization choice"
Well, you do though. With Bork, Trinity, or Ghostblade. But those options are all bogged down with other stats.
Anyway, your argument amounts to this: ghostblade to stay as is.
Not... really? I have no real issue with Ghostblade (and Duskblade) getting tweaked so they're more attractive to AD assassins and less attractive to Rangers. That's totally fine. But having an option to help an early game focused ADCs quickly close out the game (AD+IAS to crush towers and augment skills) 'n prevent late game ADCs from hitting their 3+ item spike seems like a pretty important balance pivot to have. Ghostblade+Duskblade are overkill right now. That needs to be dialed back. But leaving nothing in that itemization hole is potentially just as disruptive.
We don't want the AD casters to be too strong. But just as undesirable is hypercarries getting out of control such as when Bloodthirster was remade without really weighing what the fallout would be.
Samflash34 votesI think that's the bork, triforce, rageblade builds.
LankPants3 votesI'd argue that BotRK falls pretty much directly into the role you're talking about.
Poske2 votesCould you remove rng from crits? Its about damn time....
Motel 6 Rat1 votesThe only way that would be possible is to give crits a "window of power" which is a generally terrible idea.
Poske1 votesWe could nerf the adc itemization then Lower the ammount of AD items give ... etc
Motel 6 Rat1 votesWhy would you nerf adc itemization when the role is already weak?
I also don't see how this relates to removing RNG from crits, the only way you can do it is make crits occur on a rotation which is a window of power.
GULAG 4 U1 votesBut my master yi wants the attack speed meddler senpai :|
Photos of Ghosts2 votesYi's a skirmisher, not an assassin. If you want to play him like an assassin, gotta go
GULAG 4 U1 votesI don't think you understand how important that item is to Yi
Photos of Ghosts3 votesWith preseason they're most likely going to solve a couple old balance issues, I'd guess they'll buff Bork
GULAG 4 U4 votesProlly considering machinegunmaw is no longer around
