It's just a longsword, and that's all he needs to outdamage pretty much any champ he runs into. Lets not forget he can also outrun anyone in the game under just about any circumstance. How is this alright? I'm really tired of Lee dominating and making other jungle picks not viable, hasn't he been like this long enough?
Iisa ann8 votesI agree when Elise was strong nerfd vi was strong nerfd kHz was strong and nerfd but lee has pretty much remained untouched (small w nerf)
Yulen Xoshxius1 votesHe is like the Ivan of guns 2, he is so popular they worry about touching him
BlackRaven1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lisa Anns Gnar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-01-15T22:47:44.423+0000)
I agree when Elise was strong nerfd vi was strong nerfd kHz was strong and nerfd but lee has pretty much remained untouched (small w nerf)
with an e nerf. hes been nerfed multiple times. stop the tears.
Bears Dont Care4 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-01-16T04:05:00.685+0000)
with an e nerf. hes been nerfed multiple times. stop the tears.
Which has not fixed the core issue which is his kit. Other junglers get beaten with the bar, lee barely gets tickled.by.comparison
BlackRaven2 votesWhich has not fixed the core issue which is his kit. Other junglers get beaten with the bar, lee barely gets tickled.by.comparison
yes it has. lee is balanced. all the high elos think so as well. seeing as you arent high elo, your opinion doesn't matter to that many people other than the scrubs who continue to lick their salt off by complaining about lee. if you want lee nerfed, you nerf orianna and fizz. yes lee is a different role, but ori excels at mid. so you wanna complain about a champ overcrowding others, pick on ori and fizz.
Bears Dont Care13 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2015-01-16T04:37:12.081+0000)
yes it has. lee is balanced. all the high elos think so as well.
Have you won money in a game tournament? I have. Gotten a game into mlg? I have Organized large scale tournaments? I have
Congratulations you are a high elo player, but no one cares because you speak like a bronze lord. All you did was ad hominem and offer nothing besides "my elo". Even the pros know lee sin is dominating the jungle, and riot, and they are a ton more knowledgeable over the subject than you.
Til then, you're nothing more than those you insult, a scrub lord.
To.flip things on you orianna is balanced and pro players and riot think so too. The only people who agree with you are scrubs looking to lick salt off your crack.
Lee sin is pick or ban and no one else. Thst is the definitionof overcentralization of the extreme.
Yuumi or Lose1 votesHave you won money in a game tournament? I have. Gotten a game into mlg? I have Organized large scale tournaments? I have
Congratulations you are a high elo player, but no one cares because you speak like a bronze lord. All you did was ad hominem and offer nothing besides "my elo". Even the pros know lee sin is dominating the jungle, and riot, and they are a ton more knowledgeable over the subject than you.
Til then, you're nothing more than those you insult, a scrub lord.
To.flip things on you orianna is balanced and pro players and riot think so too. The only people who agree with you are scrubs looking to lick salt off your crack.
Lee sin is pick or ban and no one else. Thst is the definitionof overcentralization of the extreme.
Aren't you Silver? Lol.
Bears Dont Care3 votes[{quoted}](name=AYY LMA0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-16T17:08:41.741+0000)
Aren't you Silver? Lol.
You do realize the ideas of balancing a game is universal and not game specific but hey, brimg up rank, its all you got since articulation of thought is uber hard
BlackRaven1 votesHave you won money in a game tournament? I have. Gotten a game into mlg? I have Organized large scale tournaments? I have
Congratulations you are a high elo player, but no one cares because you speak like a bronze lord. All you did was ad hominem and offer nothing besides "my elo". Even the pros know lee sin is dominating the jungle, and riot, and they are a ton more knowledgeable over the subject than you.
Til then, you're nothing more than those you insult, a scrub lord.
To.flip things on you orianna is balanced and pro players and riot think so too. The only people who agree with you are scrubs looking to lick salt off your crack.
Lee sin is pick or ban and no one else. Thst is the definitionof overcentralization of the extreme.
yes lee is strong in the jungle, but because other junglers are weak. so you blame lee for riots balancing on other junglers? use some logic before trying to question mine. and no i didnt say anything about "my elo" i was talking about challengers, but yet again you wanted to insult me so you brought me up as well. orianna is balanced as well, just like lee. so people who complain about lee should complain about ori as well. but thats not happening, know why? because you idiots are just a bunch of bandwagon riding salt licking players. lee is never banned in my elo, its most liekly fizz and akali.
Ratbert1 votesSince strength is relative, this makes lee strong as all others are weak in comparison. What are you trying to prove? Is lee balanced on some ancient and useless standard?
BlackRaven1 votesSince strength is relative, this makes lee strong as all others are weak in comparison. What are you trying to prove? Is lee balanced on some ancient and useless standard?
in a rare case, a champ in this game is actually balanced. in this case its lee. everyone else has been nerfed far too much. lee got nerfed in the correct way. ask for buffs for champs like elise, not for nerfs like lee. its only easier and makes more sense.
Ratbert2 votesWhich is to say, he's broken in comparison. It's easier to tone down one than buff a bajillion
BlackRaven1 votesWhich is to say, he's broken in comparison. It's easier to tone down one than buff a bajillion
no its not. lets say you have 2 friends. friend #1 is more giving than #2. lets stop talking to #2 is your solution? its better for all of the champs to be balanced rather than nerf someone who is already balanced just so you can shut up.
Ratbert1 votesNo but i'd ask friend 1 to stop making friend two feel bad with his superior generosity. It's like having a poor person and a rich one. The poor one will inevitably be less liked.
BlackRaven1 votesNo but i'd ask friend 1 to stop making friend two feel bad with his superior generosity. It's like having a poor person and a rich one. The poor one will inevitably be less liked.
or you would be smart and ask that friend 2 become more giving as well. did using logic become a bad thing?
Chaotic Reks1 votesugh, the stereotypical lee sin mains... always douches cause nobody likes their broken champion
BlackRaven1 votes[{quoted}](name=NyX Reks,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=0000000100000000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-17T01:08:28.747+0000)
ugh, the stereotypical lee sin mains... always douches cause nobody likes their broken champion
how am i being a douche.
Chaotic Reks2 votesits better for all of the champs to be balanced rather than nerf someone who is already balanced just so you can shut up.
your opinion doesn't matter to that many people other than the scrubs who continue to lick their salt off by complaining about lee.
with an e nerf. hes been nerfed multiple times. stop the tears.
need i say anymore?
EnvyDragon3 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=00000001000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-17T01:14:29.056+0000)
how am i being a douche.
Well...
stop the tears.
and
seeing as you arent high elo, your opinion doesn't matter
and
rather than nerf someone who is already balanced just so you can shut up.
are all pretty douchey.
BlackRaven1 votesWell...
and
and
are all pretty douchey.
its called being straight forward...
Bears Dont Care3 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=00000001000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000003,timestamp=2015-01-17T23:58:28.748+0000)
its called being straight forward...
No, its called being a jerk bud. An insult is an insult, you trying to paint it differently is not being straght forward. Being straight forward means not dancing around an issue.
BlackRaven1 votesNo, its called being a jerk bud. An insult is an insult, you trying to paint it differently is not being straght forward. Being straight forward means not dancing around an issue.
but calling me a jerk or a douche isnt insulting. damn nice logic.
EnvyDragon3 votesNo, it is. But that doesn't change the fact that you are, in fact, being an absolute douche.
Or if you like, I could say that calling you a douche is "just straightforward."
Elitism? Douchey. Solves nothing. "Stop the tears"? Douchey. Solves nothing. Trying to shut down discussion by saying "you're just bad"? Douchey. Solves nothing.
Calling someone a douche? Can be douchey, but if it lets you know that it's not okay to pull that shit, then it makes a difference in my mind.
Bears Dont Care1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=00000001000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000005,timestamp=2015-01-18T00:44:14.843+0000)
but calling me a jerk or a douche isnt insulting. damn nice logic.
Who ever said that calling you a douche isn't insulting? Honest question, is English your first language, since it does not seem like you understand much of what is being discussed. Highest level of play means professional play, challenger play, baically that the character isn't being played incorrectly or poorly.
Ratbert1 votesIt didn't but I didn't have time to address your faulty analogy. Imagine you had 1 rich friend and 10 poor ones. The poor ones are working for the rich one, who refuses to do anything to improve the situation. Instead of sharing the wealth, every time one of the workers receive a raise, the rich one protests because it marginally competes with him.
BlackRaven1 votesWhich has not fixed the core issue which is his kit. Other junglers get beaten with the bar, lee barely gets tickled.by.comparison
funny how u say that now, but when the nerf came through, your bandwagon buddies all said "yes lee nerfs this is what we needed, ty riot" but a week later after getting raped by a good one, came back on to cry somemore.
Bears Dont Care2 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=0000000100000001,timestamp=2015-01-16T23:46:22.536+0000)
funny how u say that now but when the nerf came through, your bandwagon buddies all said "yes lee nerfs this is what we needed, ty riot" but a week later after getting raped by a good one, came back on to cry somemore.
Dsmn dude is this all you can argue?
"People who.lost to lee sin are the only ones wanting to.nerf him" That logic when you forget riot wants to nerf.him and pros acknowledge him as the best.pick period.
His.kit is horribly toxic. Too much mobility and too much utility and damage giving him no wesknesses to exploit.
Vi? She goes all in and does.not.escape. Reksai? All in 1, form.of cc Pantheon? All in and only 1 cc
Lee.sin? 2 forms.of.mobility. 3 forms.of cc. An execute and sustain as well. He will kic your adc to the frontl III ne then.shout iiikuuuuh and escape like an assassin. You know the arguments are right, its why you can only bad.mouth people who disagree witg you
BlackRaven1 votesDsmn dude is this all you can argue?
"People who.lost to lee sin are the only ones wanting to.nerf him" That logic when you forget riot wants to nerf.him and pros acknowledge him as the best.pick period.
His.kit is horribly toxic. Too much mobility and too much utility and damage giving him no wesknesses to exploit.
Vi? She goes all in and does.not.escape. Reksai? All in 1, form.of cc Pantheon? All in and only 1 cc
Lee.sin? 2 forms.of.mobility. 3 forms.of cc. An execute and sustain as well. He will kic your adc to the frontl III ne then.shout iiikuuuuh and escape like an assassin. You know the arguments are right, its why you can only bad.mouth people who disagree witg you
first of all, try repeating what you typed in english, not gibberish. second of all, lee sin is easy as hll to focus in a teamfight, if he ward hops, thats 2.5/4 of his energy right there, he either kicks u towards his team if you are that stupid or he kicks u away, he uses e if he manages to get near you( the adc) if ur team doesnt know how to hit cc on him, he uses q on u if ur that stupid to not be able to dodge the easiest most predictable skillshot in the game. get real and get good before trying to make him sound hard to vs. panth does stupid ass damage and gets a free block, no complaining?
Get Rekkkt1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2015-01-17T19:05:47.175+0000)
first of all, try repeating what you typed in english, not gibberish. second of all, lee sin is easy as hll to focus in a teamfight, if he ward hops, thats 2.5/4 of his energy right there, he either kicks u towards his team if you are that stupid or he kicks u away, he uses e if he manages to get near you( the adc) if ur team doesnt know how to hit cc on him, he uses q on u if ur that stupid to not be able to dodge the easiest most predictable skillshot in the game. get real and get good before trying to make him sound hard to vs. panth does stupid ass damage and gets a free block, no complaining?
really man? are you in denial?
list all the stuff in his kit, then explain almost anyone else's kit and tell me lee dont have an overloaded kit
sustain?yes (spellvamp and lifesteal) waveclear?yes atk speed boost?yes mobility?yes (2 actually ward hops and q) execute?yes (2 one on q one on R) knockback?yes 2 abilities on q?yes 2abilities on w?yes 2 abilities on e?yes high base damages?yes high start movement speed?yes higher energy sustain from passive? yes
what exactly do you think makes him balanced? im actually curious (btw these are w/o items)
BlackRaven1 votes[{quoted}](name=Get Rekkkt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=0000000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-17T19:36:10.833+0000)
really man? are you in denial?
list all the stuff in his kit, then explain almost anyone else's kit and tell me lee dont have an overloaded kit
sustain?yes waveclear?yes atk speed boost?yes mobility?yes (2 actually ward hops and q) execute?yes knockback?yes 2 abilities on q?yes 2abilities on w?yes 2 abilities on e?yes high base damages?yes high start movement speed?yes
what exactly do you think makes him balanced? im actually curious (btw these are w/o items)
here we go. reksai true damage? yes 2 abilites on q? yes 2 abilities on e? yes waveclear? yes sustain? yes true damage? yes knockup? yes mobility? fuck yes no cds? yes no mana costs? yes high base damages? yes
every champ can be broken if you type it this way. lee is balanced, everyone else who actually has reached an elo where logic is used has thought so as well. im sorry to tell you this, but if lee is broken, then ori is as broken as him. other junglers are op and other junglers are weak. he is in the middle. im tired of typing this shit. hop off the bandwagon and go play lee and send me your lolking after thanks!
Get Rekkkt2 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=00000001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-17T19:43:04.667+0000)
here we go. reksai true damage? yes 2 abilites on q? yes 2 abilities on e? yes waveclear? yes sustain? yes true damage? yes knockup? yes mobility? fuck yes no cds? yes no mana costs? yes high base damages? yes
every champ can be broken if you type it this way. lee is balanced, everyone else who actually has reached an elo where logic is used has thought so as well. im sorry to tell you this, but if lee is broken, then ori is as broken as him. other junglers are op and other junglers are weak. he is in the middle. im tired of typing this shit. hop off the bandwagon and go play lee and send me your lolking after thanks!
no cd's? really lol? and its the most gimp sustain its not lifesteal and or spellvamp (in lee's case both) hismobility isnt as much as lee's and even considering that those on on your list, lee's is still bigger
case n point
stop playing braindead champs lol, omg i hit Q he takes much skill, every other ability is a melee ranged either targettable or aoe lmao
lee is broken, face the facts homie, im sure the pros dunno what they are talking about because they arent in the lcs...oh wait....
but ur in the lcs....oh wait.... be salt homie =) (btw ori's gated by mana, and she doesnt get 40% of her mana back for atking twice)
also, i just played mid shaco and raped, and the game b4 that i carried a 4/9, 1/13 mid, and a 0/18...wheres ur lolking saying that? you sound pretty salt bby
BlackRaven1 votes[{quoted}](name=Get Rekkkt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=000000010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-17T20:24:11.581+0000)
no cd's? really lol? and its the most gimp sustain its not lifesteal and or spellvamp (in lee's case both) hismobility isnt as much as lee's and even considering that those on on your list, lee's is still bigger
case n point
stop playing braindead champs lol, omg i hit Q he takes much skill, every other ability is a melee ranged either targettable or aoe lmao
lee is broken, face the facts homie, im sure the pros dunno what they are talking about because they arent in the lcs...oh wait....
but ur in the lcs....oh wait.... be salt homie =) (btw ori's gated by mana, and she doesnt get 40% of her mana back for atking twice)
also, i just played mid shaco and raped, and the game b4 that i carried a 4/9, 1/13 mid, and a 0/18...wheres ur lolking saying that? you sound pretty salt bby
what? lol. you tell me you played mid shaco? then you tell me im salty. ok i need to take a scalding bath. see you in hell bby.
Bears Dont Care2 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2015-01-17T19:05:47.175+0000)
first of all, try repeating what you typed in english, not gibberish.
First of all, if you are going to insult someone regarding their grammar, ensure your own is perfect. You make several grammatical and typographical errors.
hint: The entire rest of your post, is horribly written and painful to read.
second of all, lee sin is easy as hll to focus in a teamfight, if he ward hops, thats 2.5/4 of his energy right there, he either kicks u towards his team if you are that stupid or he kicks u away, he uses e if he manages to get near you( the adc) if ur team doesnt know how to hit cc on him, he uses q on u if ur that stupid to not be able to dodge the easiest most predictable skillshot in the game. get real and get good before trying to make him sound hard to vs. panth does stupid ass damage and gets a free block, no complaining?
Wait wait wait, this entire argument you are making is the following...
"If Lee Sin manages to land any of his abilities on you, then you are bad.
Hrmm, I guess everyone in the LCS must be bronze status considering they've been kicked to the front line, Q'ed, ward hopped into a kick and E'd. That isn't a discussion of Lee Sin as a champion, you are discussing behaviors of a player which does not belong in the discussion. When you compare the kit Lee sin possesses vs Jarvan, Vi, Rek'Sai, Kha'Zix, there isn't any reason to pick them over Lee Sin.
You've offered nothing to the discussion besides ad hominems. Before you tell anyone to get good, get Challenger at the very least, at least then you'll have something besides your inability to articilate an argument
BlackRaven1 votesFirst of all, if you are going to insult someone regarding their grammar, ensure your own is perfect. You make several grammatical and typographical errors.
hint: The entire rest of your post, is horribly written and painful to read.
Wait wait wait, this entire argument you are making is the following...
"If Lee Sin manages to land any of his abilities on you, then you are bad.
Hrmm, I guess everyone in the LCS must be bronze status considering they've been kicked to the front line, Q'ed, ward hopped into a kick and E'd. That isn't a discussion of Lee Sin as a champion, you are discussing behaviors of a player which does not belong in the discussion. When you compare the kit Lee sin possesses vs Jarvan, Vi, Rek'Sai, Kha'Zix, there isn't any reason to pick them over Lee Sin.
You've offered nothing to the discussion besides ad hominems. Before you tell anyone to get good, get Challenger at the very least, at least then you'll have something besides your inability to articilate an argument
no, if lee manages to land his q on you, its not because HES broken, its because you misplayed. its not lees fault he kicked u when u had 150 hp, its becaue YOU messed up. you blame all your faults on lee then all these people begin to believe they are gods and no one should be able to touch them.
Bears Dont Care3 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=00000001000000010000000000010000,timestamp=2015-01-17T22:45:06.629+0000)
no, if lee manages to land his q on you, its not because HES broken, its because you misplayed.
This is the problem with your argument Max, you are not discussing Lee Sin, you are discussing the player behind Lee Sin. "Lee Sin is not overpowered, or overcentralizing in anyway, because if any of his abilities landed, YOU messed up."
Pardon but, this is a poor argument and doesn't work because it can be bounced back at you.
"Lee Sin is overpowered, and overcentralizing, because with a good player, he can land all of his abilities."
That is stupid, and nonsensical, and does not work in reality because it would suggest all of the LCS is bad at the game. They are at a much higher level than yourself first of all, and it is stupid to suggest that anytime Lee sin is successful other people messed up. It can be stated for any champion including those who were horribly broken on release.
We discuss Champions, not the player, and that is something that Riot and LCS pros recognize. Lee Sin is a dominant force, because he is Lee Sin, not because the player behind him makes him what he is. LCS pros recognize it, RIot recognizes it, high elo players recognize it.
When you can actually discuss Lee Sin, not the player's, I'll gladly discuss it with you, but you're just too biased and quick to attack anyone who opposes your viewpoint.
BlackRaven1 votesThis is the problem with your argument Max, you are not discussing Lee Sin, you are discussing the player behind Lee Sin. "Lee Sin is not overpowered, or overcentralizing in anyway, because if any of his abilities landed, YOU messed up."
Pardon but, this is a poor argument and doesn't work because it can be bounced back at you.
"Lee Sin is overpowered, and overcentralizing, because with a good player, he can land all of his abilities."
That is stupid, and nonsensical, and does not work in reality because it would suggest all of the LCS is bad at the game. They are at a much higher level than yourself first of all, and it is stupid to suggest that anytime Lee sin is successful other people messed up. It can be stated for any champion including those who were horribly broken on release.
We discuss Champions, not the player, and that is something that Riot and LCS pros recognize. Lee Sin is a dominant force, because he is Lee Sin, not because the player behind him makes him what he is. LCS pros recognize it, RIot recognizes it, high elo players recognize it.
When you can actually discuss Lee Sin, not the player's, I'll gladly discuss it with you, but you're just too biased and quick to attack anyone who opposes your viewpoint.
ok but lee in a good players hand can be strong, whilst lee in a bad players hand causes his team to be a 4v5.
Bears Dont Care2 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=0000000100000001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-18T00:07:43.575+0000)
ok but lee in a good players hand can be strong, whilst lee in a bad players hand causes his team to be a 4v5.
Irrelevant, at anytime you discuss a character/champion, you assume highest level of play. If you look at bronzies it tells you nothing good really.
BlackRaven1 votesIrrelevant, at anytime you discuss a character/champion, you assume highest level of play. If you look at bronzies it tells you nothing good really.
no, i shouldnt. simply because the only people complaining about him are gold and below. if i see a diamond complaining about lee being broken, i would assume his "highest level of play".
Get Rekkkt2 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=000000010000000100000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-18T00:44:52.953+0000)
no, i shouldnt. simply because the only people complaining about him are gold and below. if i see a diamond complaining about lee being broken, i would assume his "highest level of play".
lol you dont get it do you?
talking about his kit, his damages, his utility, etc
your response?your just bad, while throwing out insults
are u delusional to what you yourself are writing? or do you not know how to stay on topic/have a discussion about something?
reread these and your comments again, if you still feel the same...just stop talking in general cuz u dont get it lol much bias, very wow
(this one got me to lol "seeing as you arent high elo, your opinion doesn't matter"....if i wanted to be a douche like you i could say you're not in lcs, so your opinion doesnt matter)
you just dont get it do you lol?
TwoD3 voteslmao lee sin d*ck rider, defending his free elo shame on you
Samflash31 votes[{quoted}](name=Lisa Anns Gnar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-01-15T22:47:44.423+0000)
I agree when Elise was strong nerfd vi was strong nerfd kHz was strong and nerfd but lee has pretty much remained untouched (small w nerf)
But kHz and vi are also strong. Not Lee strong but they still strong.
Get Rekkkt3 votesgl getting riot to change their LCSBIGPLAYS favoritism
Chaotic Reks1 votesyour name though...
BlackRaven2 votesso its ok for vi to buy a brutalizer and melt anyone? so its ok for elise to go sunfire and liandries and dive people level 2 and 2 shot everyone? so its ok forrengar to 1 shot the adc with 0 cds? everyone got nerfed. lee too.
Fed by Snu Snu7 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3L2E9nA0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-01-16T00:55:35.187+0000)
so its ok for vi to buy a brutalizer and melt anyone? so its ok for elise to go sunfire and liandries and dive people level 2 and 2 shot everyone? so its ok forrengar to 1 shot the adc with 0 cds? everyone got nerfed. lee too.
If Elise has a sunfire and a liandry's at level 2, i'm pretty sure you deserve to be dived and die in 2 shots.
Spacesuit Spiff2 votesLee is considered god tier in LCS... and absolutely nowhere else (rightly, at least). He's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't think I've seen him banned a single time above silver (and that was probably me, not wanting a silver Lee on the team).
Yeah, Lee has been consistently strong for a long time, but he's never really been a problem in the same way WW and Rammus were recently. So have a bunch of junglers though (Vi, Fiddles, Jarvan), the boards just complain about Lee because he's so prominent in LCS (which I won't comment on because LCS is pretty much a whole different game so idgaf). And even if he has always been the top jungler, we all know this game is too complicated for Riot to control it perfectly, so I'd just say that it's a good decision by them to leave him like that and not risk his spot being taken by WW or Mumu or something much less interesting to play against.
Cenobite Azaziel2 votesLee is considered god tier in LCS... and absolutely nowhere else (rightly, at least). He's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't think I've seen him banned a single time above silver (and that was probably me, not wanting a silver Lee on the team).
Yeah, Lee has been consistently strong for a long time, but he's never really been a problem in the same way WW and Rammus were recently. So have a bunch of junglers though (Vi, Fiddles, Jarvan), the boards just complain about Lee because he's so prominent in LCS (which I won't comment on because LCS is pretty much a whole different game so idgaf). And even if he has always been the top jungler, we all know this game is too complicated for Riot to control it perfectly, so I'd just say that it's a good decision by them to leave him like that and not risk his spot being taken by WW or Mumu or something much less interesting to play against.
Actually Lee is played by 98% main junglers of challenger (or is second pick OR the jungle pick of filler challengers).
So yeah, he isn't just prominent he excels at high lvl play. Lee has no weakness, even the "falls late game" can be adressed by a insec that doesn't even have to get someone out of position. Q to front line, ward hop to backline, insec the adc or the APC and you traded your life for the other team APC and maybe even more, since you kick CCs anyone was protecting the backline.
Try to do the same with renek (the "falls off late game king") probably you can zone the adc and you will get thorn apart if you're not fed, still lee has more utility, more mobility (aaaaand reach) and can duel better than renek (he is way more slippery if he get's out of position). I won't even compare with shaco.. his late game is bullshit.
Oleandervine2 votesLee Sin takes skill to learn, but when you learn him, he's pretty untouchable, which makes him difficult to handle. All of the other junglers with escapes (like Elise) have their escapes nerfed in the name of "balance." Elise's Cocoon and Rappel have been getting consistently nerfed, yet Lee Sin, who can practically move in, kill, then escape in one rotation won't get touched. It becomes a glaring problem when the balance team refuses to touch a champion but consistently nerf nearly all the others just because he's popular. Sure, some will lament balance changes, but if the changes are subtle and not an overall change to how he plays, then it's not so much a big deal. As a side note, I often wonder how popular he actually is. Since he has been left to run rampant and win so much, you have to question if he is truly liked or merely a side effect of bloated stats/kit that make him OP and thus desirable by those seeking an easy win.
InsaneSamurai1 votesYeah, champ popularity is almost entirely decided based on strength anyway. Lee's been a favorite for a long time because he's been at the top of the heap for a long time. Variety is good :)
Hrud2 votes7/10, Maximum Lee Sin made me laugh.
Elise 7k starting gold OP AS FUCK