And if you don't ban/play them you just lose. There's nothing that can be done to prevent it. They're both mobile as fuck. Kallista especially. She's a champ mistake that should have never happened. And the best thing about these 2 champs? They work perfectly together. Every game, is there a kallista? Whelp, if she gets a kill we lose.
Prospector Pete4 votesThen how come they aren't played in every single game?
HamburgerJunior1 votes[{quoted}](name=Prospector Pete,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3KQHoHmF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-08-06T22:11:22.715+0000)
Then how come they aren't played in every single game?
Because not everyone is good enough to play them right, especially at gold elo and lower. Otherwise? Because they're banned/picked already.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesBecause not everyone is good enough to play them right, especially at gold elo and lower.
You are in Silver. If people Gold and below aren't good enough to play them, then you shouldn't be having any issues.
Lugg4 votesKalista 94% pick/ban rate this split in pro play. Needs to be completely gutted.
Yasou is much more binary. In the right team comps, he is god mode. In others he struggles. He needs a rework for sure.
warpenguin5551 votesKalista 94% pick/ban rate this split in pro play. Needs to be completely gutted.
Yasou is much more binary. In the right team comps, he is god mode. In others he struggles. He needs a rework for sure.
1st no. gutting is a stupid idea, 2nd, fck the pros
Lugg1 votesYeah, F the guys who know more about the game and champions than anyone. Come on, you have to admit I'm right on this one.
SwapShadows1 votesYeah, F the guys who know more about the game and champions than anyone. Come on, you have to admit I'm right on this one.
There is a difference between copying a pro player and analyzing what they are doing.
a pro player making a sick play isn't just something you can do whenever you want, you have to analyze and realize why and how they did that play to function it in your own games.
This requires a certain level of game knowledge, just copying does nothing.
Lugg1 votesI agree with you. The average player won't have the mechanics to pull off some of those plays without a ton of practice. However, you can still learn from it and incorporate some of the aspects into your game. I have learned a LOT about the game from watching the games and listening to the analysts.
SwapShadows1 votesI agree with you. The average player won't have the mechanics to pull off some of those plays without a ton of practice. However, you can still learn from it and incorporate some of the aspects into your game. I have learned a LOT about the game from watching the games and listening to the analysts.
So you learned a lot about the game but can't manage to climb out of bronze?
if you want to improve watching LCs is a terrible way to get better at low elos, you need to watch information youtube videos that give you advice on how to climb such as fourpaws/gbay99/foxdrop and once you gain those skills you will be able to analyze pro players and learn even further.
Lugg1 votesIf you cared to look, you would see that I haven't played ranked on this account in forever. I just use it to play with friends now.
I do watch a lot of the youtube videos as well. There are some really good ones out there. You should watch some of the pro games, I think you would enjoy it and get a lot out of it.
warpenguin5551 votesYeah, F the guys who know more about the game and champions than anyone. Come on, you have to admit I'm right on this one.
not really. whats it matter whats played in the LCS when neither one of us is in it? Absolutely nothing. and yes, fuck them. i would even say it to their faces
Lugg1 votesThey have have fans, groupies, and make pretty good money. They wouldn't give a rat's ass what you think to be honest. Nothing personal, i'm just telling you like it is.
warpenguin5551 votesThey have have fans, groupies, and make pretty good money. They wouldn't give a rat's ass what you think to be honest. Nothing personal, i'm just telling you like it is.
they wont, and shouldnt. TBH they dont deserve any of that you mentioned. they sit on their asses for a living (not knocking that, legit what i wanna get payed for). does it stop me from telling them i think they should eat dog turds? nope. just makes me wanna do it more actually. and the fact people worship them makes me sick. It feels good when i beat those people who blindly follow with no actual understaning f what they are doing but think its good because its LCS played
Lugg1 votesThe pros play the strongest champions for the situation. That's why people follow them. When Runeglaive Ezreal was played pro, lots of people used it to freelo up.
BTW, LOTS of jobs involve sitting on your ass for a living. LOL
Vistha Kai4 votesI have no respect for people who have problems with Yasuo.
Literally, the only reason Yasuo can win a lane is his jungler laning 2v1 with him for the first 15-20 minutes of the game.
Lugg2 votesI don't mean to be mean, but it's posts like this that cause people to not take you seriously.
Vistha Kai1 votesI've been playing both as and aganist Yasuo since his release. What I learned:
That's not a matter of me exaggerating. That's a conclusion after being involved in Yasuo's lane in over 600 games.
Think what you want. I don't really care. There is no excuse for not being able to learn how to play aganist an overnerfed champion.
Lugg1 votesHere is a game that took place yesterday. Yasou vs SKT (possibly the best team in the world). If you watch this and still think the same about Yas, there is no hope for you.
It's the second game, click about halfway thru the video to get it.
Vistha Kai2 votesI will not watch it and I will not change my opinion on Yasuo, because sadly(for you) I don't give a damn about LCK or any kind of LCS for that matter.
Perhaps if you'd at least bother to name a minute of the video I should look for.
warpenguin5551 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3KQHoHmF,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-06T23:12:50.972+0000)
I will not watch it and I will not change my opinion on Yasuo, because sadly(for you) I don't give a damn about LCK or any kind of LCS for that matter.
Perhaps if you'd at least bother to name a minute of the video I should look for.
im the same. fck the pros, ill play and think what i want about the game
Vistha Kai1 votesI voiced it wrongly.
What I meant was that most of what they do can't be adapted to the solo queue in NA and EU (or even solo Q in general) in any direct form... Especially by people like Lugg who are Bronze 5 and think they have decent knowledge about the game by simply watching the LCS.
Lugg1 votesWatching the best players in the world play champions will increase your understanding of the game. You say that low ELO doesn't know what they are talking about but here you are not willing to learn something from people in the highest ELO. The hypocrisy is immense. At this moment I now realize that my game knowledge is tenfold what yours is. In reality I am the Diamond player and you are the Bronze.
Vistha Kai1 votesWatching best players in the world will do nothing good for you, if you don't already have the knowledge about the game.
If you try to learn the exponential function without being able to add, you already failed by even thinking about it.
The same thing happens, if you try to apply "pro plays" to your average game without knowing what those pro plays are actually about.
Lugg1 votesI understand your point of view, but I think I can give you examples that prove it wrong.
When I first started playing and learning the game, I would really struggle on Annie. I couldn't figure out how people were doing so good on her. Then I watched a pro game and saw the flash Tibbers stun combo and BAM the lightbulb goes on and I start doing well on Annie.
Another great one is the Lee Sin inSec combo. No one knew you could do that until he did it in a pro game. Then all the Lee Sin mains started practicing it and learned it.
There are TONS of examples like this. You can learn about lane swaps, champion combo strategies, etc. The skies the limit.
Vistha Kai2 votesWatching one game of a stream with a pro explaining what he's doing is worth more than a whole season of watching LCS.
warpenguin5552 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3KQHoHmF,comment-id=000300000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-07T07:12:03.306+0000)
Watching one game in a stream with a pro explaining what he's doing is worth more than whole season of watching LCS.
+1.
Lugg1 votesIt depends on the pro. Some of them do a great job explaining, others don't really tell you anything.
Vistha Kai1 votesBecause I haven't made that obvious enough by saying "a pro explaining what he's doing".
SwapShadows1 votesWatching the best players in the world play champions will increase your understanding of the game. You say that low ELO doesn't know what they are talking about but here you are not willing to learn something from people in the highest ELO. The hypocrisy is immense. At this moment I now realize that my game knowledge is tenfold what yours is. In reality I am the Diamond player and you are the Bronze.
No in reality you're still a bronze 5 and you're bad.
Also it's impossible to fully analyze a LCS game and improve unless you have plat+ game knowledge.
Godaren1 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3KQHoHmF,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-08-06T22:23:08.165+0000)
I have no respect for people who have problems with Yasuo.
- He's free food for the jungler.
- He's free food for 99% of champions.
Literally, the only reason Yasuo can win a lane is his jungler laning 2v1 with him for the first 15-20 minutes of the game.
yeah if you can't beat yasuo in lane.... you suck
TraakSC4 votesYou should pass around this info to all the pro players who aren't playing these champions. They are clearly clueless as to how powerful you make them out to be.
HamburgerJunior3 votesYou should pass around this info to all the pro players who aren't playing these champions. They are clearly clueless as to how powerful you make them out to be.
Kalista has been an S tier adc pick since she came out. she continues to be. You should seriously check your facts.
Godaren1 votesKalista has been an S tier adc pick since she came out. she continues to be. You should seriously check your facts.
is she stronger then sivir jinx, vayne or ashe? no not really, does anyone play yasuo in lcs? no? that's strange I'd think the PROFESSIONALS would know who is strong or not.
KONO RUBICK DA3 votes
is far from being broken
Balisan2 votes
Kalista is nearly impossible to deal with? Guess these champions don't exist: 
Yasuo is nearly impossible to deal with? Guess these champions don't exist: 
Nameless Voice1 votesWhen the only argument against a champion that you can give is another champion that counters them, that's usually not a good sign.
warpenguin5551 votes[{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3KQHoHmF,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2015-08-07T01:13:46.016+0000)
When the only argument against a champion that you can give is another champion that counters them, that's usually not a good sign.
but the thing is with yasuo, nearly every mid lane champion beats him in lane. he only has a shot against teemo and gnar when played top lane
warpenguin5551 votes
you forgot nearly every midlaner XD
Icestar11861 votesI've beaten Yasuos and Kalistas. The trick is to lock them down and kill them before the cc wears off. Also, Yasuo especially is super item dependant, so if you can kill him early and keep him from snowballing you'll be fine.
HamburgerJunior1 votesI've beaten Yasuos and Kalistas. The trick is to lock them down and kill them before the cc wears off. Also, Yasuo especially is super item dependant, so if you can kill him early and keep him from snowballing you'll be fine.
Yeah, yasuo was probably bad. In fact, i know he was. All he needs is a static shiv and to farm for the next 11 minutes. Easiest champ to CS with in the entire league. He's never out of the game. Ever.
Icestar11861 votesYeah but if he isn't fed he's easy to deal with.
Balisan1 votes
warpenguin5551 votesYeah, yasuo was probably bad. In fact, i know he was. All he needs is a static shiv and to farm for the next 11 minutes. Easiest champ to CS with in the entire league. He's never out of the game. Ever.
actually id argue Zed is easier to farm with because of his passive
warpenguin5551 voteslmfao
Pretty Dhizi1 votes..Are you wood ranking?
Nameless Voice1 votesI wouldn't say the two strongest, but I'd certainly say the two most annoying. I'd also probably say the two with the most hard-counter matchups.
7ha7guy7771 votes
Point and click root. What mobility?
Yordle Xayah1 votes