these people get to plat and diamond with avg cs of 100 per game and barely making a k/d of 1 on their main champions? and no i'm not talking about tank or support mains....im talking about damage carry mains with these stats....please explain how they make it that far with stats like that?
Archon X1 votesobjectives win games, not kills
UberAffe1 votestrue but unless they are winning in under 15 minutes in most games 100 cs average is terrible, i'm in bronze and even i can get 100 in 12-13 minutes almost every game.
ScriptBrand1 votesno one is winning in 15 minutes that many times....15 minute win is once every 100 game occurrence...
UberAffe1 votesreally, I don't think I have ever won an actual game in under 18 lol.
My point was that there is no excuse to have that low of cs ON AVERAGE when you are that rank and not support.
ScriptBrand1 votesthat was my point...look at this guy, he is a vayne main.... http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/30367569#ranked-stats please tell me how this guy made it to that elo?
Cruk1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3JIi6N9q,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-23T05:04:30.226+0000)
that was my point...look at this guy, he is a vayne main.... http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/30367569#ranked-stats please tell me how this guy made it to that elo?
Thats jungle vayne, lolking doesnt take jungle minions into account, 60 cs per game is what he taxed. Jungle vayne is actually really hard to pull off vs competent opponents. His K/D is surprisingly okay.
ScriptBrand1 votesyou havent convinced me. i found this guy in a different post. he also said "im diamond and never used attack move". do you expect me to believe this guy has made it to high plat and diamond with jungle vayne and not using attack move? look at his match history, theyre ALL piss poor. even the games he wins it's clear that his team carried him
Cruk1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3JIi6N9q,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-23T05:10:08.436+0000)
you havent convinced me. i found this guy in a different post. he also said "im diamond and never used attack move". do you expect me to believe this guy has made it to high plat and diamond with jungle vayne and not using attack move? look at his match history, theyre ALL piss poor. even the games he wins it's clear that his team carried him
Well his K/D isnt negative on jungle vayne, which means it works for him, he probably just split pushed objectives into oblivion to win, sated was super Op on vayne before it was nerfed. Objectives > Kills
ScriptBrand1 votesyou still haven't convinced me. are you trying to get me to believe that he consistently beat diamond MMR players by split pushing? i don't believe that for a second...maybe that could win him a few games, but let's be honest, at that level, it's not happening every game. i 100% believe he is getting carried. you can win a game if your jungler is afk, you will be hard pressed to win a game if anyone else is afk. my theory is he does a little here and a little there and his team mates carry him from their.
Cruk1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3JIi6N9q,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-23T05:16:58.710+0000)
you still haven't convinced me. are you trying to get me to believe that he consistently beat diamond MMR players by split pushing? i don't believe that for a second...maybe that could win him a few games, but let's be honest, at that level, it's not happening every game. i 100% believe he is getting carried. you can win a game if your jungler is afk, you will be hard pressed to win a game if anyone else is afk. my theory is he does a little here and a little there and his team mates carry him from their.
Well thats okay, you can assume all you like about him getting lucky with teams. But the fact is that he has all of those wins so obviously its more practical to believe there is a reoccurring factor or play style to back up his consistency. Also in high elo it is about 100% impossible to win with any AFK no matter what role it is. Also in diamond Elo mid lane and jungle are the most important roles currently, I definitely would not want to lose my jungler, or discredit such an important role.
ScriptBrand1 votesthe only way i see him getting to that elo with jungle vayne is if he is a god. but then again, he openly admitted he doesn't even use attack move....i want you to think about that. DOES NOT USE attack move on the MOST ATTACK MOVE USING champion in the game...so you telling me he has perfect clicks ?
Cruk1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3JIi6N9q,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-23T05:24:41.239+0000)
the only way i see him getting to that elo with jungle vayne is if he is a god. but then again, he openly admitted he doesn't even use attack move....i want you to think about that. DOES NOT USE attack move on the MOST ATTACK MOVE USING champion in the game...so you telling me he has perfect clicks ?
You definitely dont have to be godly to be in plat 2. Plat 2 is honestly nothing even remotely impressive. I played ADC all the way from gold 5 to plat with just clicking, and gold was the elo that went by quickest for me. Not to mention a ton of players dont use attack move, its not a game breaking mechanic that you need to succeed. Plat 2 doesnt require orb walking.
ScriptBrand1 votesi just don't see those stats being worthy of diamond and plat...you don't get objectives in that elo without being good on your champions...
Ragu1 votes[{quoted}](name=Archon X,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3JIi6N9q,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-09-23T04:54:45.836+0000)
objectives win games, not kills
Hey just wanna say your my first ever rage poster, thanks for the comments! If you don't watch dunkey, I guess you won't get the joke, but bravo on the long statement and rage-fueled political rampage of a post. You have anger problems bro.
Sir Yamazuki1 votesIt's not difficult to win games with no farm. I have Bronze 5 last hitting mechanics and do just fine.
Nami in Bush1 votesMeanwhile: I'm losing games going 24/9/6 with 366 CS because of my teammates feeding.
lB2kGRlc8y1 votesIts been a known fact that luck plays a huge part in promotions, players are often denied promotions due to an afk/feeder they get whilst the opposing team is promoted as a result. That's one of the many reasons why pulling rank in forum arguments makes people look so stupid, since nobody can actually tell if they'd still be in wood division if their luck didn't carry them through.