how to completly counter Veigar

arc95·May 17, 2015·42 votes·4,227 views

As silly as this is it's actually kinda true... you only need 1 item to beat him in lane...with his stun now on a delay its really easy to dodge with a little bit of extra movement speed.... then with the tenacity even if you get stunned you can still always dodge his W... so at most he can burn his ult on you and land his Q and probably not get a kill off it or even do enough damage to force you to back... so really all he can really do is zone you and deny farm

obviously this is satirical but it does illustrate the some of the problems with Veigar

70 Comments

A Superb VillainMay 17, 201541 votes

Would you kindly not bring up Magic Resist or Tenacity? I have a world to dominate, and you are providing an unnecessary boon to the blissfully unaware, which makes my job that much more tedious.

I would deeply appreciate you suggesting other players build item 3089 , item 3285 , or any other exclusively offensive items.

Sincerely,

A Superb Villain ಠ_ರೃ

arc95May 17, 20153 votes

plays TF vs Veigar... builds full AD Kappa

A Superb VillainMay 17, 20157 votes

At least TF is still squishy; ADC with a stun and teleport.

Vistha KaiMay 18, 20152 votes

Plays Ryze aganist Veigar. Rekt

XietninMay 17, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Superb Villain,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EYkcFpE,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-05-17T18:31:25.257+0000)

Would you kindly not bring up Magic Resist or Tenacity? I have a world to dominate, and you are providing an unnecessary boon to the blissfully unaware, which makes my job that much more tedious.

I would deeply appreciate you suggesting other players build , , or any other exclusively offensive items.

Sincerely,

A Superb Villain ಠ_ರೃ

Why not both? item 3001

Dr BirdieMay 17, 20156 votes

Because it's gonna be more of a tank item soon anyway.

Galio Or is it?

TrídentMay 18, 20151 votes

lol

Fizz builds item 3100 item 3111 item 3157 item 3102 item 3140 item 3112

You happy now Mr.Evil?

NaharaMay 18, 20153 votes

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Excuse me, you put that right back into the Howling Abyss, mister.

One Bind MorganaMay 18, 20151 votes

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Excuse me, you put that right back into the Howling Abyss, mister.

thats k abyssal scepter is better for fizz than orb anyways

TrídentMay 18, 20151 votes

never MHWAHAHAHHAHAA

item 3112 goes where he pleases

Tis a nice dayMay 19, 20152 votes

A superb villain indeed.

Davy CrockettMay 19, 20152 votes

Building MR should be strictly forbidden in a game when Veigar is played. This should be a new buff to Veigar's kit.

SookoMay 17, 201516 votes

item 3041 Lets you feed off the helpless dead weight he now is until 40 minutes in the game, and then you can carry.

MarthianMay 17, 20156 votes

That was before the rework. He actually can hurt you now in lane and not interrupt his farming. Even before, he still had some kill potential.

theragingnerdMay 17, 20153 votes

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That was before the rework. He actually can hurt you now in lane and not interrupt his farming. Even before, he still had some kill potential.

i remember playing veigar good times all it took was stun w q boom theres half ur hp XD

Malix FarwinMay 17, 20152 votes

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i remember playing veigar good times all it took was stun w q boom theres half ur hp XD

back in the day all i had to do was build those boots and never had to worry about w hitting me ever, now i dont have to worry about qw from hitting, if he somehow lands his e on me but you know, nerf his stun...

I Main SwainMay 17, 20152 votes

he still had some kill potential

*a lot of

Prince Of CheeseMay 18, 20151 votes

Agreed but his roaming with his old E was incredibly strong also, his farming/potential dmg was never his strong suit. ironically it was his ability to reach his mid game power spike and obliterate most lanes with mobi boots and DFG.

Curling VeigarMay 18, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Prince Of Cheese,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EYkcFpE,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2015-05-18T04:04:08.682+0000)

Agreed but his roaming with his old E was incredibly strong also, his farming/potential dmg was never his strong suit. ironically it was his ability to reach his mid game power spike and obliterate most lanes with mobi boots and DFG.

improved scaling on W?

Prince Of CheeseMay 18, 20151 votes

I worded that wrong I meant the lowered mana cost, it was a huge issue to use W in lane, its still a bit of mana but its a quality of life change to veigar.

Prince Of CheeseMay 18, 20154 votes

His kill potential was actually incredibly high before, the new changes (mostly stun) have actually nerfed his huge power spike in the mid game where he could roam and impact all lanes in a major way. Believe it or not his weakest point used to be his late game because the entire team built banshees and mercs, making his burst rather irrelevant. Few were scarier to see in your bot lane then a pre patch veigar with mobi boots.

Heckin SupportMay 17, 201514 votes

Some people don't know you don't have to be a tank to build item 3111

arc95May 17, 201517 votes

the feel when people dont know what tenacity is ;_____;

agbudarMay 18, 20152 votes

it gets even better when you go 9/21/0 masteries

dat glorious 45% tenacity that is completely useless in this meta of knockups

OyddAWqJ5rMay 18, 20151 votes

Not entirely true. Most knockups have stun components at the end or during it which you get out of sooner than everyone else.

GiantRobotCamelsMay 17, 20158 votes

Am I the only one still laughing at "bashful strike"?

SpecterVonBarenMay 17, 20156 votes

I suddenly imagine a Seven Dwarves skin line for Yordle champs, and yes, that IS a short joke.

BuCkeT SeiZureSMay 17, 20155 votes

There are a lot of items that can make Veigar borderline useless. Riot wanted to Nerf support Veigar and have instead hit mid veigar very hard. He isn't really bad now, instead he just is an incomplete champion. They were very determined to put all his power into his Q and left the rest of him untouched or nerfed. From a balance stand point, veigar is fine. From a keeping a champions identity standpoint, riot failed this miserably. He is not a fun champ to play anymore. And instead of just adding weaknesses to him without removing the old ones, they should have actually invested some time and made him feel like a full champion rather than one held together with used band aids and tacky glue.

qetzelMay 17, 20152 votes

They didn't just want to nerf the support. That stun was bullshit.

WarlockLawMay 18, 20154 votes

Imo the problem is that they nerfed his stupid strong stun into nothing more than a zoning tool and ignored the consequences that would have on his w

Juggernaut628May 18, 20155 votes

For all that everyone is complaining about his stun, not only was it broken as fuck before, but nobody is complaining about Ekko's W which takes 3 seconds to arm. As someone who played Veigar back in a semi-manageable meta (about 5.4), I never really had a problem landing his stun. Just place it behind the enemy and they either walk into it or face your Q and R, which if you know how to cs with Q, will chunk them.

Saminus MaximusMay 18, 20153 votes

Very different situations, Ekko has survivability outside of his w, q slows, passive slows + ms boost to run away, e double jump, ult teleport. Veigar on the other hand has only his stun.

Not mention Ekko's stuns everything in its fairly large radius for the same duration as a rank 4 veigar stun at rank 1 + gives ekko a big ass shield even if he misses the stun. Veigar's stun on the other hand only affects those who run into its walls.

Ekko does not require his stun to land his damage, veigar does.

Just place it behind the enemy and they either walk into it or face your Q and R, which if you know how to cs with Q, will chunk them.

Thats the thing, as a squishy front loaded bust mage you dont want to chunk people you want to kill them, if you've blown all your cd's and the enemy is still alive you have nothing to stop them turning around and murdering you.

Hypothetical 1: Veigar catches jinx alone, jinx has 0 defence items and veigar is a burst mage. Veigar throws down his cage. Jinx turns around and starts autoing veigars face, W is not going to land so you throw out r q. It "chunks" jinx. Jinx proceeds to kill veigar and live another day.

Hypothetical 2: Leblanc catches jinx alone, jinx has 0 defence items and leblanc is a burst mage. Leblanc full combo's and jinx dies.

Hypothetical 3: Annie catches jinx alone, jinx has 0 defence items and annie is a burst mage. Annie full combo's and jinx dies.

It is not up to veigar if his combo lands, it is up to the enemy.

MarthianMay 17, 20154 votes

And yet I still get plenty of stuns and poke off.

Malix FarwinMay 17, 20156 votes

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And yet I still get plenty of stuns and poke off.

your enemies arent buying those boots prolly.

arcinexMay 17, 20153 votes

It's more like item 1001

His E is a joke that lands less than half the time because of how ridiculously easy it is to walk away from during the delay

kile147May 17, 20152 votes

On the plus side if you drop it around a thresh lantern you get to watch as they try to take it to safety, only to be trapped inside

AradehkMay 17, 20152 votes

Veig's my main for mid, so unfortunately those tactics don't work on me. Probably on inexperienced veigar players

lB2kGRlc8yMay 18, 20152 votes

Yea, to play veigar properly now, you need to assume that you'll never land a meteor, and just focus on poking them down with Qs.

AradehkMay 19, 20151 votes

Really you don't poke with q. You just farm with it. You just hold your own for a while. For those who don't know whenever his q kills a minion/monster he gets bonus Ap. Bonus ap is higher for champions and applies if he kills from any dmg source.

KaipopMay 17, 20152 votes

Am I the only one that likes the new Veigar? His first reworked stun was terrible, but now it's not that bad and I have good success with him

Snake TownMay 17, 20152 votes

I haven't seen a viegar in my games since the rework lol

lB2kGRlc8yMay 17, 20152 votes

Yea, this has always been the case, even before the nerf. That's why it felt like such a knife in the back when riot raped him.

YossarianSenseiMay 17, 20152 votes

I'd say mercs is a lot less relevant against the new Veigar because if he's predicting his E he's also going to predict his W, so you're gunna get nailed if he does land his combo

It was absolutely vital against the old Veig though, I remember having to build Merc Treads Vayne

LlaniteMay 18, 20152 votes

If you can't stand the new Veigar, just move on to Annie .

Virgin RayMay 17, 20151 votes

Well wouldn't his item 3020 kinda penetrate the MR making 0 MR for the enemy and 0 MP for Veigar? I mean unless the numbers are a lot larger for the item 3111 compared to . I mean, I face a lot of people with and it's not harder than ever, just stun yourself when they launch themselves at you, then burst. The MP would cancel out most of the enemy's and kill them. Getting the item 3135 would even more destroy their MR and nuke them as easy as pie.

arc95May 17, 20154 votes

its not the MR on the merc threads that counter him it the tenacity and added movement speed... tenacity shortens his stun by 35% allowing to dodge his W and the added ms helps you avoid his stun and skill-shots in general

InphernalMay 18, 20151 votes

how is this satire?

arc95May 18, 20151 votes

because this is a humorous post (at least its intended to be)in which im blatantly over exaggerating in(youll never win lane if you only buy merc threads) to ridicule/expose his weaknesses

KaipopMay 18, 20151 votes

I mean all you need cs zed is qss or zhonyas... It's like this for a lot of champs