PSA: You won't have (as much) fun in the meta you weren't designed for.

xelaker·Sep 30, 2017·38 votes·2,320 views

If an adc does well against your particular role, guess what, this meta will be "the worst meta ever". If your role becomes meta you'll be on here doing one of two things; spamming message boards with "it's not that bad guys, we have a clear weakness obvs" or "HAHA HOW DOES IT FEEL ADC'S! THIS IS THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE I AM GOD TIER NOW!! JUSTICE!!! JUSTIIIIICEEEE!!!!"

Been playing since season one and league has followed this cycle for a looooooong time. Learn to deal with it, there's always gonna be something that's too strong, and if there isn't top tier players find one and ruin everything lol. Hell, I'm tired of the kind of damage adc's get when ahead, but it will end and then I'll be tired of the amount of X champ class X can do. Pre-season is gonna turn the game upside-down for a long while, just be patient.

72 Comments

PennsSep 30, 201721 votes

If an adc does well against your particular role, guess what, this meta will be "the worst meta ever".

mfw adc does well vs assassins

hehe

TheHappyReaperzSep 30, 20172 votes

Why shouldn't ADCs do well against assassins?

Pommel KnightSep 30, 20175 votes

Because the sole reason of assassins is to kill adc's, mages, supports and any glass cannons in this game. That's like a tank being able to beat an adc in any situation, regardless of how ahead they are.

TheHappyReaperzSep 30, 20172 votes

And so they should immediatly win any 1v1's against an ADC regardless of the situation?

SithesisLordSep 30, 20175 votes

The only reason they win exactly -1000 out of 10 1v1s against ADCs right now is because of the retarded burst delay.

An ADC that´s caught out by an assassin SHOULD die, not right click and lifesteal their way into a kill and full HP.

Flawless FetusOct 1, 20176 votes

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Why shouldn't ADCs do well against assassins?

I'll take the bait. Supposedly, assassins assassinate squishy targets. Adcs are the squishiest class in the game. Because of this, it makes sense that assassins, unless super behind, should win. Adcs are paper. Assassins are scissors. Lol.

TheHappyReaperzOct 1, 20172 votes

But no two assassins are the same, no two ADCs are the same, and no two games on Summoner's Rift are the same. So why should a blanket rule apply?

NineTailedMysticOct 1, 20177 votes

Blanket rules aren't inherently bad. I'll use Magic the Gatherting as an example, where in Magic there are tons of rules. However if a card says something that goes against the rules, the card wins. Specific trumps general.

The same should apply to ADCs. Assassins should win against ADCs (General), but with exceptions (Specific).

GigglesOOct 1, 20171 votes

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I'll take the bait. Supposedly, assassins assassinate squishy targets. Adcs are the squishiest class in the game. Because of this, it makes sense that assassins, unless super behind, should win. Adcs are paper. Assassins are scissors. Lol.

second squishiest, behind "enchanters"

MelledoneusSep 30, 201713 votes

You know it's the real Penns when he signs his posts with "hehe."

PennsSep 30, 201710 votes

ikr http://guest.mylivesignature.com/306/D05150EE65F344194CEBCBFD24BEB744.png

Malicious MetalOct 1, 20173 votes

add a U in there. http://txt-dynamic.static.1001fonts.net/txt/dHRmLjcyLjVhOGM4OS5TSFZsSUdoMVpRLCwuMQAA/pure-evil-2.regular.png

I Main SwainOct 1, 20173 votes

mfw adc's currently do well against just about everything because everything else either has terrible items (mages lul), terrible kit designs (assassins lul), both (tanks LUL), or theyre supports

RequiemsfireSep 30, 20179 votes

This meta is downright horrible and actually got me to stop playing ADC with how much it limits the potential of your champion pool, ardent censor supports and hyper carries. I stopped using adc as a regular role because this meta is just awful to play.

Ziggyzz289Oct 1, 20171 votes

Honestly, same I hate playing champs like lucian or varus as adc and getting a lead in lane but just getting outscaled by twitch/kog/xayah because they have an ardent support and I don't

SalsonSep 30, 20179 votes

But it's everyone, they do well vs everyone.

Best princess EUSep 30, 20175 votes

which is why everyone hates this meta

enchanter mains, and twtich/trist/xayah mains are the only one having fun

The DeckownerOct 1, 20173 votes

I don't think playing "enchanter" is fun unless you only want elo and nothing else, there is nothing interesting about their gameplay.

5000000000000000Oct 1, 20171 votes

I recently picked up Soraka again, and I like it because I play her aggro (Q self heal allows for that) and enemy laners don't often expect it. I've been also trying to play Janna aggro (using W and passive), but I haven't gotten much practice yet. I think those playstyles are fun because of how the enemy doesn't expect it. But even later, I like playing peel and keeping enemy carries locked down and/or away from my carries so they can do the damage.

I like keeping people alive more than killing people, and so I find supports and tank tops interesting. I'm not saying supportive playstyle is the interesting way to play the game, but I don't think it's fair to say there's nothing interesting about it.

The DeckownerOct 1, 20172 votes

Not saying supportive playstyle is wrong or unfun, but the way these enchanter supports achieve this is very boring and uninteractive. Braum jumping onto your adc to block the lethal bullet like an true hero is very different than Janna clicking a shield onto the adc, even tho they achieved the same goal.

Voluug13Oct 1, 20171 votes

Braum cant really do anything against assassins other that pop ult.

Sadly, as long as assassins with point and click burst/gapclosing exist, mechanically simple shields and protection are a necessity on this game.

The DeckownerOct 1, 20171 votes

As long as summoner 3 exist any support can shit on assassins.

Voluug13Oct 2, 20171 votes

Exhaust has more that 3 minutes of cooldown, and most assassin ults have 60-90 at rank 1.

Also most assassins get safe escape from failed assassinations and that is partly why their collective play pattern is the most cancerous out of every class of the game.

yesnobananaSep 30, 20173 votes

That's how meta works

SalsonSep 30, 20177 votes

Not necessarily As long as one tactic works better than others most of the time it's tehnically meta.

Bot lane being more important than mid/top/jungle is a bot lane meta. Bot lane being a sole deciding factor of every game is bullshit.

That's because there are currently two roles/classes defining the meta. Adc AA Hypercarry Marksmen and Support Ardent Enchanters. And together, those two can easily take over the game.

PB4UAMEOct 1, 20174 votes

Only when it is the result of systemic issues and blatant favoritism. Statistically, ADCs are such outliers, that there is a 0% chance that it got this way accidentally, and a similarly low probability it was the result of indirect causes, as opposed to an intentional decision/design philosophy-- that is what people take issue with.

This hasn't happened before with any other class to the same degree.

KhristophorosSep 30, 20178 votes

This meta sucks because once an ADC starts snowballing the game is probably fucking over.

I dont even enjoy playing ADC in this meta or any meta.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 30, 20173 votes

Generally, that's always been the case. Once an ADC started snowballing, it's always been basically over, so long as marksmen are actually viable.

KhristophorosSep 30, 20174 votes

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Generally, that's always been the case. Once an ADC started snowballing, it's always been basically over, so long as marksmen are actually viable.

That's not true. Right now the itemization is too cheap so once an ADC gets rolling they will snowball faster than any other class is able to snowball given the same conditions.

In the past it would take more to get to critical mass but ADCs were still viable/mandatory simply because of sieging utility.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 1, 20174 votes

No it's not because you could still just blow up the adc if he misspositioned. Not the case anymore.

NahuiSep 30, 20177 votes

Assassin meta is still the best meta out there, no arguments against it.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 30, 201718 votes

Unless you're any squishy besides an assassin. Or a tank being deleted by an assassin that got fed before you could even buy armor.

The only fun you might have in an assassin meta is as an assassin, or as a support with a metric fuckton of cc, such as Leona. It sucked ass as everyone else. ADC? You got bursted instantly, as you'd expect. But you'd be bursted no matter what your team did. Even if it was 5v1, the enemy assassin would still wipe you off the face of the planet, and then it was 50/50 as to whether or not your team could actually kill him before he got away.

Enchanter? Good luck doing anything. You're bursted even faster, and you can't even do your single job of keeping anyone alive. Sure, you had Janna, who theoretically could keep an assassin off. But you'd have to not be bursted from stealth to do that, and you'd have to have your ultimate.

Mage? Good luck even finishing your Zhonya's, let alone actually getting Morello and ganking bot, or winning lane, or doing anything, unless you're against another mage.

Juggernaut? Congratulations, you were the only person who wouldn't die to the enemy assassins, even if they were fed. Assuming you could actually get your Black Cleaver and Deadman's Plate, that is. And you'd never actually get to catch and kill the assassin.

Tank? You were nothing. You'd be bursted instantly by the assassin, since they have so much more gold than you. You never got to be tanky, because the assassin roamed top with his Duskblade, Youmuu's, and Death's Dance, and killed you again and again and again and again and again when you only had a single chain armor and a ruby crystal. Only a couple of tanks could do anything, and those were the ones with tons of CC, such as Leona. Leona had fun, because she could close and keep the assassin still. Although it did her no good, since her entire team was already dead, and she has no damage.

Bruiser? Congratulations! You combine juggernaut with tank! You never get to catch the assassin, and you never get to be durable enough to survive him! Your prize? A demotion, and a report for picking something insanely off-meta.

Skirmisher, you already got reported for picking Yasuo. Although you could actually use assassin items, and you somehow actually did half-decently. Fun fact: That was the only time anyone ever said "Thank god we have Yasuo".

Now, it's possible I'm only saying this because I'm in Bronze. But it sure as hell felt like nobody but assassin mains had fun.

ActivatingEMPSep 30, 20176 votes

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Unless you're any squishy besides an assassin. Or a tank being deleted by an assassin that got fed before you could even buy armor.

The only fun you might have in an assassin meta is as an assassin, or as a support with a metric fuckton of cc, such as Leona. It sucked ass as everyone else. ADC? You got bursted instantly, as you'd expect. But you'd be bursted no matter what your team did. Even if it was 5v1, the enemy assassin would still wipe you off the face of the planet, and then it was 50/50 as to whether or not your team could actually kill him before he got away.

Enchanter? Good luck doing anything. You're bursted even faster, and you can't even do your single job of keeping anyone alive. Sure, you had Janna, who theoretically could keep an assassin off. But you'd have to not be bursted from stealth to do that, and you'd have to have your ultimate.

Mage? Good luck even finishing your Zhonya's, let alone actually getting Morello and ganking bot, or winning lane, or doing anything, unless you're against another mage.

Juggernaut? Congratulations, you were the only person who wouldn't die to the enemy assassins, even if they were fed. Assuming you could actually get your Black Cleaver and Deadman's Plate, that is. And you'd never actually get to catch and kill the assassin.

Tank? You were nothing. You'd be bursted instantly by the assassin, since they have so much more gold than you. You never got to be tanky, because the assassin roamed top with his Duskblade, Youmuu's, and Death's Dance, and killed you again and again and again and again and again when you only had a single chain armor and a ruby crystal. Only a couple of tanks could do anything, and those were the ones with tons of CC, such as Leona. Leona had fun, because she could close and keep the assassin still. Although it did her no good, since her entire team was already dead, and she has no damage.

Bruiser? Congratulations! You combine juggernaut with tank! You never get to catch the assassin, and you never get to be durable enough to survive him! Your prize? A demotion, and a report for picking something insanely off-meta.

Skirmisher, you already got reported for picking Yasuo. Although you could actually use assassin items, and you somehow actually did half-decently. Fun fact: That was the only time anyone ever said "Thank god we have Yasuo".

Now, it's possible I'm only saying this because I'm in Bronze. But it sure as hell felt like nobody but assassin mains had fun.

This is why true tank meta is the smallest of all evils. Kappa

Wildlife1Oct 1, 20174 votes

As a mage main, I agree with the previous statement

Voluug13Oct 1, 20173 votes

On tank meta (no, not bruiser/juggernaut meta) everyone is good except assassins, which are the worst designed role of them all.

SpoofghoulOct 1, 20172 votes

pretty much

assassins lack any strategic use

they are solely there for the narrowest choice of tactical applications

Voluug13Oct 1, 20172 votes

Plus their mains are basicallly ''ummm if I cant 1v5 and kill the adc anyways, then assassins are UP''.

And of course the whole ''assassins need to have OP laning, and strong bases AND strong scalings AND utility/safe burst patterns, to be able to face adcs'' which is main reason why assassin meta is complete cancer specially for any other midlaner.

CatastropSep 30, 201714 votes

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Assassin meta is still the best meta out there, no arguments against it.

Lmao, that's so funny.

LauchmelderSep 30, 20179 votes

Considering how much of a design failure assassins are I'll disagree.

IRyzeForNidaleeSep 30, 20177 votes

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If an adc does well against your particular role, guess what, this meta will be "the worst meta ever".

In other words this is the worst meta ever for everybody except the ADCs

Karn BishopSep 30, 20177 votes

Threads like this annoy me, do you really think there would be nearly as much outrage about the adc enchanter meta if they were following the normal flow of any meta?

The average meta flows like this, Mages become powerful and when the meta is nearing its height of power the anti mages start gaining traction and dominating and it transitions into an anti mage meta which is then replaced by another meta ect ect.

Now here lies the problem the adc enchanter meta has already peaked yet this meta shifting is not happening, no assassins are appearing to suppress them, no high dps control mages are appearing and taking over and beginning the shift to a mage meta or jungle meta or any other sort of meta, its like a car stuck in first gear and the gears not shifting because of a gear mismatch of reworked assassins vs stat stick old gear adc.

Athenes LuluSep 30, 20176 votes

While this is true, I'm a Lulu support onetrick and all of my backups are enchanter supports, and I hate this meta right now.

If you're not rushing Ardent Censer before boots and Sightstone you're practically trolling, and that's not fun to play.

zecastarSep 30, 20175 votes

{quoted}

If an adc does well against your particular role, guess what, this meta will be "the worst meta ever". If your role becomes meta you'll be on here doing one of two things; spamming message boards with "it's not that bad guys, we have a clear weakness obvs" or "HAHA HOW DOES IT FEEL ADC'S! THIS IS THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE I AM GOD TIER NOW!! JUSTICE!!! JUSTIIIIICEEEE!!!!"

Been playing since season one and league has followed this cycle for a looooooong time. Learn to deal with it, there's always gonna be something that's too strong, and if there isn't top tier players find one and ruin everything lol. Hell, I'm tired of the kind of damage adc's get when ahead, but it will end and then I'll be tired of the amount of X champ class X can do. Pre-season is gonna turn the game upside-down for a long while, just be patient.

It shouldn't be this way. These cycles indicate an inability to balance properly.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERSep 30, 20174 votes

No meta has ever been deemed fun or balanced and this game should be destroyed into the ground like the degenerate it is.

But seriously, for every new meta there is there's going to be people complaining.

Karn BishopSep 30, 20172 votes

If the adc enchanter meta were shifting metas slowly like traditional metas do there would be just regular complaints, but the intended counters for them simply are not appearing and you argue this engine stalling is a good thing? in my experience games that have this problem usually enter into death phase if nothing is done.

BALDG1VEN BOOMEROct 1, 20171 votes

In what world did you read me talking about the current meta?

HaIlMonitorSep 30, 20174 votes

I play assassin junglers. So 99% of the time I love the meta, the only time I dont is when I am on equal items and cant kill a 2k health, 5k health shield health bar adc.

I agree overall that we dont love all meta's, but there are some that makes everyone worthless. Currently Top plays cc fighter, jungle is tank, mid is something that helps ADC's, then good ol' supports do something that helps peel or heal. We all want to play something that we feel like WE WON not the adc won or lost us the game.