Kayle is waaaaaaay too weak level 1-10.

Kanzler·Mar 7, 2019·6 votes·3,249 views

She needs some base stats or something, because literally any champ in the game will stomp her until level 11.

14 Comments

Lord Scorch 62Mar 7, 20193 votes

that is the point.

she is a hyper-carry with the same scaling as nasus, she needs to have a weak early game so she CAN be slowed down.

she is not a laner like jax or camile, she is a late game DPS carry.

FioraWillCarryMar 7, 20191 votes

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she is a hyper-carry with the same scaling as nasus

No no no no no.

Nasus can completely dominate a lane from level 6 with only a Sheen. Even old Kayle had to wait quite a long time for that level of power, even moreso with this new Kayle.

Lord Scorch 62Mar 7, 20191 votes

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No no no no no.

Nasus can completely dominate a lane from level 6 with only a Sheen. Even old Kayle had to wait quite a long time for that level of power, even moreso with this new Kayle.

true, that was a bit unfair of me.

but the point i am trying to make is...well you get it.

early game = wimpy late game = living fucking god

the reason i said nasus is due to the fact that he is a late game scaler, HOWEVER, nasus is WAYYYYYY safer then kayle ever will be.

KanzlerMar 7, 20192 votes

Nasus can hold his own in a lane until he gets strong. If you blow too hard on Kayle, you force her out of lane.

hrooza dota Mar 7, 20192 votes

i would say level 16 kayle > nasus as she can do great in team fights with aoe/reach she has, while nasus is just a fat duck most of the time (kinda why he is mostly played as split pusher mostly instant of a team fighter)

Lord Scorch 62Mar 7, 20192 votes

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i would say level 16 kayle > nasus as she can do great in team fights with aoe/reach she has, while nasus is just a fat duck most of the time (kinda why he is mostly played as split pusher mostly instant of a team fighter)

fair point. kayle also has a SUPER strong split push game. not only because of her wave-clear, but her 1v1 potential.

i just won a game as kayle in flex base-racing the enemy xayah and leona. granted i had baron buff, but the enemy mid AND jung try'd to stop me and just could not.

i see kayle being a great hyper-carry/win condition for top lane, much like nasus. she COULD work in other lanes, especially if riot changes her E like jarring stated above. but i dont see them doing that in the long term. what they will probably do is give her some stupid out-of-nowhere buffs to help her early game, then nerf the christ out of her the patch after that. then she will be an iffy pick top-lane, at best.

but then again, i may just be overly cynical.

ShmeeveMar 7, 20192 votes

I mean, yea, she is extremely hammered by quinn and camille, but she can be a very solid top laner if you play your cards right. Once you hit level 6, you can really start farming, dishing damage because of the free SUPER CLEAVE and invincibility ult. When playing Kayle, until level 11, your main focus is farming cs.

KuroradeMar 7, 20192 votes

This is to compensate for her insanely good late game.

We don't want another Nasus.

PupelMar 7, 20192 votes

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This is to compensate for her insanely good late game.

We don't want another Nasus.

Yeah but Nasus doesn't have an insanely good late game cause 50% of them time he never gets there and 50% of the time he does it doesn't matter cause its actually not the great. Kayle actually scales better.

JarringMar 7, 20192 votes

i want her E broken up into 2 charges with half the dmg and cooldown.

right now the "ranged auto attack" portion of her E is meaningless and it might as well be another targeted ability.

If she had charges of it instead, she'd be able to farm much more safely at a range in top lane early game and could possibly even have a passive that's relevant before lvl 11.

KanzlerMar 7, 20192 votes

Level 6 also adds in the mini game to constantly drop your exalted stacks because the aoe cleave pushes the wave. The last thing pre-11 kayle wants to do is push too far.

R4ff4Mar 13, 20192 votes

not fun to have a champion that has to farm lvl 1-10 when sometimes the game ends early then she's not useful

SukishooMar 7, 20191 votes

Hmm I dunno bout that. I played on the PBE and saw many people do extremely well with her. It's just something slightly different to get used too compared to her older self.