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when is Riot going to realize Garen is the weakest champion in high elo

SALT SHAKER 28·5/30/2017, 1:21:10 PM·139 votes·10,516 views

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This is my smurf account, my main acc (d5 garen only: "supermova" euw) currently banned on the boards

Riot when are you going to open your eyes and realize that mastering Garen you are only capible of reaching low diamond. That's just sad, and low diamond isn't even that great. How can you be okay that there has NEVER been a Master tier garen main or one trick pony in the history of league of legends, and there has been some pretty dogshit champs that have even reached master like urgot, nasus, pre-rework aatrox etc.

You could be snarky and tell me "B-B-BUT THERE IS SOME GUY IN BRAZIL OR TURKEY REGION WHO IS DIAMOND 2 ON GAREN".. lets be honest they are not competive regions and therefore do not count as the quality of the region is very poor.

You offer nothing to your team, your early game is useless because you do no damage so you are encouraged to play safe in lane. but you are not rewarded for playing safe in lane because your late game is dogshit aswell since you cannot kill anybody due to kite peel resistances and you get shredded by adcs at this point. You have no cc or utility so even when you are behind you may aswell just 4v5 the rest of the game because you are not going to offer your team anything. Riot nerfed everything about garen to add an inconsistent villain mechanic to cover up the fat they did a terrible job at reworking him.

Can't a rioter look at the statistics of garen in high elo already, this is a joke, why are they ok with a champion being so useless and unplayable at a certain point, even the dogshit of the dogshit champs can offer something more than garen, you can litterally play tank kayle and bring more to the team with your ult alone lmao..

Riot keep saying "he will be monster at low elo", but thats not my fucking problem lol. If its clear that it is a players skill that makes Garen strong in low elo that means its not the champion and the player should just get better at the game, because its clear any competent player will make garen utter useless.

Either give him a full rework immediately or hard buff him for high elo.. Garen is the weakest champion in high elo and there isn't even a close second.

248 Comments

PermabannedGaren5/30/2017, 1:59:44 PM52 votes

So what is the reasoning for downvoting this post? Garen is genuinely hot dogshit garbage past low diamond by any objective metric, so where is the debate?

TyrekGoldenspear5/30/2017, 2:57:33 PM25 votes

Yes, yes, and yes. I love Garen as a character and I play him for that satisfying ult land. However the rest of the game sucks with him if the enemy knows what they are doing.

I support this 1000%. There needs to be more justice on the rift.

Garen needs a rework for sure, his reach is less than pretty much amy other juggernaut, and the Villain mechanic means he has to have subpar damage against everyone else or else he's broken overpowered.

The fact that he has no range also means his power budget is concentrated into such a small area it practically collapses into a black hole. Get close to him when he's fed and you die. That's it. But at the same time you can kite a 1000/0 Garen and he's useless the whole game if you keep him at arms length. And that's just sad.

Mira Arya Enthe5/30/2017, 2:42:06 PM19 votes

Said this months ago. Got downvoted by nostalgic people who insist nothing should ever change. Even Shyvana has had challenger mains in a season here and there. And regularly Shyvana mains hit master. Even though she is meh right now. I am not sure how "begginer champion" is an argument to shit on Garen mains.

Dominick Destine5/30/2017, 3:27:18 PM19 votes

Agreed.

macromite5/30/2017, 3:09:00 PM18 votes

Instead of yelling randomly here is a challenge. Fix garen. Here are the parameters.

He still needs to be a learner champion. He can't be considered too strong in any elo. He needs to spin. And finnally He needs to feel like current garen.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5/30/2017, 1:50:40 PM6 votes

https://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/ if you filter by master tier in the last month garen was only picked 7 times corki picked 16 times azir 19 times shy 19 times amumu 23 times yorick 14 times xin zhao 17 times

so there are alot more champs in master tier that arent viable then just garen

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5/30/2017, 1:29:38 PM5 votes

this is true about alot of champs

riot has champs in different tiers according to how easy they are to how hard they are. the easier champs such as garen who clearly has a lot of weakness at higher elos is needed in the state he is in so newer players can learn the basics of that type of champ.

you see this in every champ role their is... its not new. while you may be a good player playing a champ with such limitations will limit how high you can climb with them