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My "little" rant about soraka and supports.....

CasterGilgamesh··21 votes·2,299 views

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For those who dont know i main Soraka.I've played her since about late season 2 (for those who try to check i got a new account and i forgot my old one #sadface) in my time playing soraka before she became "op" i have had to deal with people dodging my ranked games because she was called a "trash pick" then her tank build came out....now then she was called broken.... then riot updated my champion to a new weaker state where i have to kill myself to do what she should already do keep her team alive.What upsets me is that even though raka is easy to counter lazy fucks wont listen and just ask for fucking nerfs over just playing around her.Its not just soraka its also janna and every other support the second supports are relevant they get nerfed down while people constantly refuse to play support just because they arent relevant and this needs to fucking stop.For one instance people claim soraka is op but is she really? or is it that some supports just dont do their jobs? Supports should be equally dynamic in choices but since every support is basically just easily replaceable with some other champion that doesnt even fit the close description ( Trundle AnnieZyra) to name a few then who gives a shit you might as well just rework all support champions so they can solo lane and just let people pick what ever for support.Soraka shows how strong the support role can truly be supports should be a second carry not in the sense of damage but they should be just as important and worth trying to protect we get an unfair league of tanks because support role seems to only be good for tanks with no option of choice since the only difference in most supports is numbers Sona and Nami have very similar kits meaning numbers is basically the only reason we pick one over the other. while soraka it really isnt about numbers because she has her own niche unlike every other fucking utility support it seems.she offers very little damage and very little CC but to make up for it she have great sustain and healing.Yet people would rather have her nerfed to the ground over fixing what is fundamentally wrong with the support role which is supports overlap with each other yet riot refuses to do anything about it and whats worse is they just role with it.Also Support itemization is fucking shit we have nothing but tank items for supports how do you expect soraka not to build tank when all supports have is fucking tanky items item 3060 item 3222 item 3190 item 2049 item 2045 item 3110 item 3512 item 3050 i mean what is this shit only items not tanky are item 2302 item 2301 item 3092 item 3174item 3504 .Im just fucking upset/triggered and i just want to rip out my hair sometime.I love sorakas passive play style i cant stand this brainless aggressive play style that everyone seems to fuckin like and riot shouldnt be enforcing one type of play style it makes the game fucking lame and boring.Thats all i had to really say i could go on and on about how soraka isnt op compared to other supports but i guess ill save that for another post.

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62 Comments

Sirsir3 votes

Soraka isn't 'op' shes just INCREDIBLY TOXIC AND STERILE!

She is a dedicated healer, and there have been very few games where that class has ever been balanced.

GateOfTime4 votes

Blitzcrank's hooks, Leona's EQ, Braum's passive, Trundle and Brand are just as much or even more toxic than Soraka imo. People seem to forget they can take ignite.

KillerKell3 votes

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Blitzcrank's hooks, Leona's EQ, Braum's passive, Trundle and Brand are just as much or even more toxic than Soraka imo. People seem to forget they can take ignite.

Basically, if they can stun you it's toxic?

GateOfTime1 votes

Not really, maybe I went a little bit too far away with using the word toxic. What I meant to say is that those abilities are far more annoying to deal with than a Soraka to me.

Beldair2 votes

So any CC from a support is toxic to you....

If you can't dodge a hook, sword, skill shot from a shield, or fire skill shot...then you may need to work on that.

GateOfTime1 votes

I actually went a little bit too far on calling those toxic. I don't usually get mad because they can do that, no, my adc just won't sidestep. I can dodge things.

If you think about it, there really isn't any toxic champion. Some of theme are more annoying than others, but you just gotta learn how to play against them, which is what I tried to say with that with the wrong words. lol.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

lol healer have been balanced they are easy to kill and even before you kill the healer it almost a 2 v 1 because the healer deals no damage and has no crowd control effects that can stop them fast enough. Soraka losses very easily to many support because she lacks easy to land Hard CC and Peel

Beldair1 votes

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lol healer have been balanced they are easy to kill and even before you kill the healer it almost a 2 v 1 because the healer deals no damage and has no crowd control effects that can stop them fast enough. Soraka losses very easily to many support because she lacks easy to land Hard CC and Peel

I agree.

I am one of the Support mains that actually ❤ Bard. But ppl think he is too weak to do anything and is a troll pick. They keep wanting to compare his Shrines to Soraka's heals (which, while strong, do have a major weakness....burst her and she can't heal others) which is quite unfair to him.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

im surprised people find bard weak since he never got a nerf while getting nothing but buffs and has almost everything you want out of a support i just dont play him much cuz he really hard to play and make win with bad teams that you often get in gold and below plat and up can cap on his powers

Beldair1 votes

Exactly... I can usually aim quite well with his ult.

In one match I lost as Bard, i would hear Scion ult and would randomly throw my ult in a spot and hit him every single time.

It was irritating him XD

Ralanr3 votes

I'll admit that support itemization has always looked pretty tanky to me (coming from a tank main) and I rarely see many non-tank supports build them. I often see them finishing their support item, then rushing AP damage items (like item 3116, which does give slows, but it gives good AP and health).

Then of course we get things like Brand support, who is pretty much another damage carry. I'm sorry but I just fucking hate Brand support.

Nekusen3 votes

Riot doesn't care about what people ask, so you shouldn0t either.

KillerKell2 votes

I'm completely down with leaving the ADC alone in Bot Lane and seeing how people like it.

FourVsFive2 votes

I main soraka too, after the latest GW change, I starting not to play her any more, and just going with other supports. But Soraka been like this through out the history of LoL, where she goes up and down every season. There seems to be no mid ground for her, and if there is a mid ground for Soraka people will still cry OP.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

its because people hate things that can counter their brainless aggression soraka makes people actually think before they just point and click their spells

Partholonian6 votes

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its because people hate things that can counter their brainless aggression soraka makes people actually think before they just point and click their spells

I agree, look at the reaction to Tahm Kench. If you press your buttons in the right order and the enemy doesn't explode it's Riot's problem, not yours. Supports should be helpless to do anything but watch their teammate die and then give a free double kill afterwards, and if they're not, cry for nerfs until they are. Realizing that 1v1+support is actually a 1v2 and you need to not take it is not an option.

Reworked Taric ran into the same problem. Taric is terrible at chasing someone down to kill them. But if they disrespect his protection and get up in his ally's face recklessly he WILL make them pay. Hence, he is anti-fun and has to be nerfed back into oblivion?

Riot needs to learn that it's not bad to have kits that can punish people for stupid aggression, no matter how many stupidly aggressive players think otherwise.

Beldair1 votes

I love reworked Taric's kit (not so much hia taunts and the Fabio aspect but eh).

He has an ok heal, a devestating stun, Bastion has some good utility and his ult can sometimes save an ally from bad positioning and allow them to turn the fight around.

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

I feel your pain; there's a handful of blatant items for killing tanks, but people won't buy them and cry for tank nerfs. [zombie-brand-facepalm] What happened to common sense in society?

yukumari2 votes

Gotta agree with OP here. They literally nerfed Soraka into the ground, and there's no point taking her over supports who can also heal at a respectable amount, while offering other things to the team. (Taric has his stun and invulnurablility whle being tanky, Alistar is SUPER tanky and provides alot of cc, Sona heals at a rate comparable to Soraka when you factor in her shield along with the other buffs she can give and her ult, Nami has a ridiculous amount of cc etc.)

After the rework Soraka wasn't a healing bot. She coudln't afford to be. She was definetly anti-poke in lane, but to get health back she actually had to hit a slow moving skill shot. After they nerfed the max range and missle speed of starcall, it only made her life worse. At this point, it's too risky to play her, since it basically ends up with you trading your allies death for your own alot of the time. It's just..meh

Revali1 votes

Utility goes a long way over damage.

CasterGilgamesh3 votes

hence why supports should be made to feel impact full not purposely weak

Pika Fox1 votes

As a support main, soraka deserved the nerfs. Its incredibly infuriating playing against a champ that just negates anything you do. Soraka exists as a hard counter to an aggressive lane currently, and thats about it. Having a champ designed entirely around healing everyone in a PvP game doesnt work well. Youll either be incredibly OP, or so weak you feel useless. Or incredibly OP while feeling useless (hello sona).

Albatrosspro2 votes

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As a support main, soraka deserved the nerfs. Its incredibly infuriating playing against a champ that just negates anything you do. Soraka exists as a hard counter to an aggressive lane currently, and thats about it. Having a champ designed entirely around healing everyone in a PvP game doesnt work well. Youll either be incredibly OP, or so weak you feel useless. Or incredibly OP while feeling useless (hello sona).

Literally you just made her point. It's incredibly infuriating.. this doesn't even mean that raka wins the lane or stomps or anything. It's just annoying. (Lol.) Exactly what OP said, that Rito just wants to save people from actually dealing with non-aggressive playstyles.

Pika Fox2 votes

I didnt make their point. The fact is soraka cannot exist as a heal bot. There is no interesting lane interaction against someone that makes your interaction worthless. Couple that with Q spam, and if you cant mitigate her damage then its just a one way interaction street.

Riot made the correct call.

Albatrosspro1 votes

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I didnt make their point. The fact is soraka cannot exist as a heal bot. There is no interesting lane interaction against someone that makes your interaction worthless. Couple that with Q spam, and if you cant mitigate her damage then its just a one way interaction street.

Riot made the correct call.

The rework was probably crappy, like almost all of them. But I think to say that all healers are bad game design is stupid.

Pika Fox1 votes

All healers that function like soraka does where burst healing 0-100 instantly is their main function are bad design for this type of game. It will either be overbearing, or feel worthless.

Partholonian1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=32tUWNZa,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-05-12T09:36:24.800+0000)

Soraka exists as a hard counter to an aggressive lane currently, and thats about it.

Uh, you have this backwards. Aggressive lanes are the ones that 100-0 Soraka for free. It's the lanes that want to harass and zone the opponent off the wave without fighting them that Soraka counters.

Pika Fox1 votes

Harass lanes are, by definition, aggressive....

Soraka is countered mainly by blitz/thresh who can force the carry/soraka so far out of position that having no hard CC equates to flash/death.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

well when people think agressive lanes they dont really think poke lanes Velkoz Caitlyn or Brand Ezreal they think of more dive like comps Lucian Nautilus or Vayne Blitzcrank

Sniper 01 votes

Well I agree with Trundle and Annie but Zyra's update was built around her being support or mid. Annie is just a stun bot still and Trundle having a skill that makes terrain is just obnoxious.

Soraka is in a much better spot as a support champ now. She gives a movement speed boost for allies she applies heals on after landing q as well as a HoT. I haven't seen a lot of her recently after her nerfs which is unfortunate but point and click mana that could also be used as a point and click silence, and spammable no target q..... She was a healing silence bot with no proper interactions.

She's not in a poorer state because they removed the old toxicity in her kit.

Also Riot doesn't nerf purely because the community wants it. Believe it or not Riot makes really good decisions without the communities help. Though this pre season was not the best example and they did end up listening to the community on it.

They generally don't listen to the community on champions however. Zed Prime example of Riot not listening to the community.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

oh i didnt include this in my rant but honestly she is a bit weaker from the up date but overall they redistribute power to her kit acceptably they could have just gutted her like sona In my triggered state i forgot that she did deserve some nerfs even after the up date but i mean seriously she is fine now after grievous wounds works like normal again its much easier to deal with if you just want to by pass her all together for 800 gold item 3123 and now Vladimir DrMundo Volibear are in the same boat lol

Erockandroll1 votes

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oh i didnt include this in my rant but honestly she is a bit weaker from the up date but overall they redistribute power to her kit acceptably they could have just gutted her like sona In my triggered state i forgot that she did deserve some nerfs even after the up date but i mean seriously she is fine now after grievous wounds works like normal again its much easier to deal with if you just want to by pass her all together for 800 gold item 3123 and now Vladimir DrMundo Volibear are in the same boat lol

Something I just kinda noticed. With the relationship of X counters Y. When and how often is that relationship balanced?

First question would be, if Grievous wounds wasn't changed back, could healing be balanced without it? My answer would be no. Most numbers decisions are a knifes edge, and if healing was even a little strong, it would end up being runnaway because it didn't have a counter build.

Next question, now that we have a X counters Y relationship with X being Grievous wounds, under what circumstances does that actually make Y (The healers) too weak? Obviously healers should be decent in the absence of Grievous wounds. I think I would find the problem lies when Grievous wounds is actually considered part of the meta. Either a) when Grievous wounds is on a core enough item that it counters them by default. (hated morelllo's for that reason) or b) Healers are so strong that they require you to have Grievous wounds.

But even with the former case, they arn't completely countered, in the sense that only one person in that team, is going to have that counter to Y. and Working around that, is where skill and team work comes in. But in general, Grievous wounds should be their to prevent runaway healing, but it should occupy the possibility space in doing so. Countering Y with X should mean giving up Z.

Maximum Morde1 votes

I used to play Raka as a solo laner AP bruiser who waded in to team fights and shredded enemies, demanding attention lest she eventually burn your whole team to death with stars. Her rework into a passive heal bitch caused me to abandon her.

You say you enjoy the passive style. I say if I wanted passive, I wouldn't play a PVP game. The simple truth was, in her heal bitch state Soraka was WAY too safe. They should have made her heal melee range, and actually resource restrictive. Right now, she just spams it all day every day without giving two shits. In exchange they could have then made her a bit tankier base stats and give her more damage so she can be a battle healer.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

but she does use lots of resources she uses mana the mana cost got increased on her heal awhile ago and her heal cost is 10% max health meaning if she ever builds health items she gets loses health at the same rate plus her heals dont grant armor and she does have pretty low range on the heal and in a duo bot lane where there is a ranged adc ready snipe you its hard to play her

Maximum Morde1 votes

Her old play rate and winrate before this patch disagree. Her win rate this patch is still over 51%.

And no, the mana cost on her heal is still nowhere near restrictive at all. The mana costs on Taric are restrictive. Soraka doesn't even feel the mana cost.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

they cant make her W mana cost too high or they would need to make her Q mana cost lower since she needs the mana to use Q to at least try to get some health back

Oleandervine1 votes

The most efficient way that they could have fixed Soraka without blasting her HP or knocking around her number would be to have simply shifted her flat heals into Heals over Times. A HOT is so much easier to burst down than a flat heal, and gives her more windows of being countered. Plus, an aggressive lane can get the advantage of an HOT because they can out damage the health per tick. It would preserve her playstyle and allow them to give her back her range.

P.S. The reason people think she's OP is because this is a TANK meta. Tanks don't have the damage output to burst through her heals, so they think she's OP. Rather than not pick tanks overy every other champ, they'd rather nerf Soraka.

Klae1 votes

Soraka only needed a small nerf, but Riot is going to keep gutting her until it isn't viable. The support role needs more items to give us AP because currently I find myself stepping into Midlaner builds on champions like Morgana and Nami to get more damage off x CDR stats. Like honestly, why the hell would I want to be a tanky Nami or Morgana?

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

I just want them to modify Soraka in such a way that she can e a viable jungle pick again. They forced her into a Support Only dependent role with her RW. I'm glad that Taric can still Jungle, but I wish they could revisit Soraka Jungle.

Hige1 votes

uhm honestly, the best Soraka I've had came to lane with an spellthief edge... and built lots of AP :/ Soraka can dish a surprising amount of damage if played right

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

my build path is like this for me starting with item 3303 and 2 pots then if my enemy is aggressive like Blitzcrank Thresh or the jungler likes to gank and im pushed i get item 2049 then item 3010 but if not i just get item 3010 then item 2049 and try to get item 3027 then build item 3174 for better heals every time i poke enough plus if the enemy is mostly ap or has one heavy ap damage dealer we cant deal with i get item 3060 and item 3065 item 3102 if im still dying too much ill get item 3116 over item 3089 some times i change the build to be squishier but only because i feel safe and we have a good front line or and upgrade to this item 2301 for boots i always get item 3117

agbudar1 votes

item 3504 one you forgot together with the new item 3174 sorakka will get nerfed to item 3504 item 3174 item 3158 how to get sorakka nerfed within a month build ow yea somewhere you should probably build a "support starting item" with a ruby sightstone

CasterGilgamesh5 votes

item 3504 is too situational to be a must build all the time since to make the most of its auto attacks you would need champions who auto attack a lot.

agbudar1 votes

yea adc's even if you look at how ezreal plays, ardent censer would add rougly 150-200 damage over the 8 second duration that its up.

other adc like Kalista KogMaw Tristana who all build runaan's. they would get more AA's of then ezreal Plus the runaan's active you are looking at 500-800 total damage done in an ideal practical situation.

anyways just sayin it has its spot...

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

i simply forgot it as a utility support item mb

agbudar1 votes

i feel it would really work with sorraka once you get used to it. the extra heal from item 3174 is also really good i was using athene on karma support a while back and the heal of the item is really noticable if you play agressive. i can only imagine with someone like soraka it would be a lot stronger synergy due to the super low CD on her heal.

i havent played sorraka for a long time though so i would have to come up with a specific strategy/mastery/runepage for it.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

true but you need to deal some damage to stack up grail for the effect on soraka it takes some time still pretty good if you want to rush build it just for the passive regen it helps you stay in lane

agbudar1 votes

these days i feel thats the way to go as a support, get your main stat cdr asap and carry.

games are determined so quickly these days that only 1 out 10 games do i actually build a 5th item on any role i play.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

ikr but to day seems to be one of those days where both teams cant seem to end fast so today ive been able to full build twice (shocker i know)

Irelia Bot1 votes

We expect her to have no items besides the Gold gen sightstone item and wards.

Just like in season 2.

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