@Riot Balance Let the community give you a message

Best Fiddle··81 votes·15,898 views

So boys, It's pretty obvious the balance team gives ZERO fucks about the conspicuous problems at hand and won't communicate with its community.

Some of the HIGHLY OBVIOUS problems that have gone ignored:

  • Insane damage
  • Counter play
  • Still no tower buffs
  • Snowballing
  • Games decided way too quickly
  • Very limited champion pool with relevance

Riot, I think it's time you listened, before your entire veteran fanbase disappears.

EDIT:

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you know the saddest part? When you go on S@20 to look at the PBE patch notes and 8 out of 10 champ balance changes are dmg increase....

It's incredibly sad that this further supports my initial argument

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While agree with the sentiment of the post, this seems a bit too aggressive for me and extreme. I would never wish for people to just lose their jobs like that. I didn't vote on your poll.

I think the current Live team could reach a solution if they put their minds to it. There's enough feedback from regular players, popular high elo streamers and pro players around to work with.

Im approaching extreme with extreme. If they aren't doing their jobs as a "balance" team then how is that any different than someone else not doing their job? It's enough to get anyone fired. Of course, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but if players are leaving and they aren't even so much as communicating, even just a little, than its corruption and they have failed to do their jobs.

I'm not even expecting perfection, but at least just some decent approach to these glaring problems at hand. Even if it was them coming out and saying they straight up disagree with us, I would take that over just having us remain in the dark, while they continue to screw over the majority (that's not the pro players) who make up the backbone of this game.

79 Comments

Deneviel30 votes

you know the saddest part? When you go on S@20 to look at the PBE patch notes and 8 out of 10 champ balance changes are dmg increase....

Best Fiddle3 votes

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you know the saddest part? When you go on S@20 to look at the PBE patch notes and 8 out of 10 champ balance changes are dmg increase....

And anything to do with defenses, oh god no can't have that.

CppL15 votes

Cause thats all they now about balance. "buff dmg" or "nerf dmg" .Seriously a fucking monkey could do their job...

Spank the Fox13 votes

Well what else do you expect?

They add a mechanic, it’s “gimmicky”

They removes/nerf a mechanic and everyone still posts 2 years later how intergral it was to a champion’s kit.

Anu3isII3 votes

You talk about Karma and her fans, right?

TehNACHO2 votes

Kindred comes to mind as a recent rehash of an old mechanic.

Ornn players are probably going to be eternally salty.

And every once in a while, the random Prework Galio/Sion/Poppy player is going to pop up.

BEK Makadur1 votes

I miss old Fiora :(

DEVIL IKKI1 votes

lol old fiora was opop

Anu3isII1 votes

I actually liked their old Heal and I am glad Riot brought it back. It is an interesting mechanic that I wish more champions had.

I don't know what to say about Ornn. In a way, I found his W really frustrating, but that was also because he was overbuffed. Some partial reverts may have been the best choice.

About Pre-Reworked champions, I understand how the players really feel about them and why Riot did them. After all, those champs used to have a toxic, but totally different play style. Sion was a weird Mage with targeted Stun and a Shield Bomb, Poppy was the definition of a Hyperscaling Assassin that could murder whole teams while being almost invulnerable and Galio was more of a Control Mage than a Tank.

However, I think Riot could find a way to make old Galio work, even if it meant reworking only one Ability. While new Galio tries to achieve what old Galio was doing, they seem way too different and not as satisfying (imo).

Divewing5 votes

Funny thing is, I don't know if by fans he means the people who like her, or the actual fans she used to have

Anu3isII1 votes

One word choice can lead to so many different meanings. ;)

Benzaquen1 votes

Nidalee?

Jaygo418 votes

I made a post about this and was immediately downvoted Glad to see someone's at least paying attention to the issue. Damage is being BUFFED on champions, not nerfed on the top 10th

MistsOfMystery2 votes

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I made a post about this and was immediately downvoted Glad to see someone's at least paying attention to the issue. Damage is being BUFFED on champions, not nerfed on the top 10th

The damage on draven is BS

MistsOfMystery2 votes

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you know the saddest part? When you go on S@20 to look at the PBE patch notes and 8 out of 10 champ balance changes are dmg increase....

So true. UGH

Jeffrydaumer3 votes

Not to forget it's towards champs that already have high damage to begin with..

CppL24 votes

They do listen ,is just they dont give a shit.

Zed Boss17 votes

Riot be smoking dat gud shit at HQ

Edge of Daybreak11 votes

It would be hard for the entire veteran playerbase to disappear because chances are if we have been here all of these years we arent leaving. Besides league has been way worse in the past literally nothing compares to the cancers of old.

MOuHahaHAhahaaaa13 votes

i remember playing since s2 and never saw the game in this state and the reallity is that real veterans are getting very rare in game. The proof of that is that it's the first time that players said enough of this shit and made their own private server.., i'll add to that nowadays It's rare to see someone with the lvl 3 veteran icon : the conqueror one.

Kai Guy8 votes

I remember playing in Season 1 and this meta is literally the closest to that I have ever seen, and its much better balanced. Evelynn was a fucking nightmare. Rammus CC lasted years.

Deneviel6 votes

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I remember playing in Season 1 and this meta is literally the closest to that I have ever seen, and its much better balanced. Evelynn was a fucking nightmare. Rammus CC lasted years.

i play from beta and S1 was nowhere close to this stupid meta.....

Evelynn was just a noob stomper due to the stun and stealth in her kit .... once you placed a vision ward she was litterally useless. Rammus in s1 was what a tank it's supposted to be ... 0 dmg and lots of CC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWnuHrouJ8

Just to remember you the feeling of not getting oneshotted at lvl 3 and actually lasting for more than 2 sec ... you needed an hyperfeed Akali to actually kill a shaco in less than 3 sec and she still dealt half the dmg an assassins deal now

Youfus7 votes

Lets not forget when Evelynn was literally a troll pick in any position

Beacon Academy2 votes

Wait. A private server???

The power of google compels me to find this now.

Arcane Blue Boi2 votes

the power of google compels me

made my day lmao

D4M2X07 votes

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It would be hard for the entire veteran playerbase to disappear because chances are if we have been here all of these years we arent leaving. Besides league has been way worse in the past literally nothing compares to the cancers of old.

we could mostly ban out the old champs even with just 6 bans, we cant ban 20 champs right now

TrikzterzArma2 votes

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It would be hard for the entire veteran playerbase to disappear because chances are if we have been here all of these years we arent leaving. Besides league has been way worse in the past literally nothing compares to the cancers of old.

Lmao, I've been playing since mid season 1, and this is by far the worst state the game has ever been in. I've never been this close at just quitting the game. I'm playing less and less games for each day

Festive Bear1 votes

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It would be hard for the entire veteran playerbase to disappear because chances are if we have been here all of these years we arent leaving. Besides league has been way worse in the past literally nothing compares to the cancers of old.

Sure league has had its ups and downs before, but nothing this elongated. We're in S8, soon to be in S9, and some of these issues have been here since S5. We've had problems with specific items, specific builds and abilities, those got changed. But now it's even worse, everything is the problem. Too much damage, through items and champion scalings, only so many champions can succeed, towers become marshmallows as soon as anyone reaches midgame, etc etc. There's just been so many arising issues, little by little, that nobody has really noticed like we did before, but they've crept into every aspect of the game. I've been here since November of 2014, almost 4 years now, and I had some of the best times with this game, wayyy back then. I've stuck around because you can literally play this game for any reason. It's become my addiction not because of its great content, but because the way the game is made, it's always fresh and intriguing. However now, I've gone weeks without doing a single game because of these issues, and many of my other friends (who introduced me to this) are also saying the same things. Maybe not the entire veteran fanbase, but more and more are starting to get annoyed at this game.

I MUST WIN9 votes

I wanna bet that all these "balance changes" are simply based on ESports, competitions, lcs, etc.

They don't realize that a bunch of "pros" don't make up the millions of players who try to enjoy the game. Not everyone is in a competition or is a "pro" to actually understand certain mechanics/items/champs of the game on what needs to be changed. I wanna believe that some employees at the Riot Balance team doesn't participate in playing the game and understanding how each "mathematical change" can impact an average game [Not even including ranked yet] for EVERYONE. Not just the employees, not just the pros.

Remember, the average players ARE the majority, they are the most important, don't leave out their cries

**Otherwise. The game experience will continue to deteriorate. **

Mast3rShake1 votes

ffs you CAN’T balance a game around the people who don’t have an understanding of the game. You CAN’T balance the game around the people chasing kills into fof of war. You CAN’T balance the game around players that buy zero control wards. You CAN’T balance the game around players that tell you in the pregame lobby “trust me, it works.” You CAN’T balance the game around the players who go 0/2/0 and continue to play aggressive and engage in lane.

You CAN balance the game around the players that know what to do when two of the enemies inhibs are down. You CAN balance the game around players that know how to move a line of control wards after removing vision. You CAN balance the game around players that understand you can’t invade the bot side jg if the other team has bot and mid priority.

You can’t balance a game around complete randomness due to players’ inibility to understand what should be going on at a certain point in a game!

Divewing2 votes

That depends on what you mean by balance.

By that logic the game should be playable if you are at pro level.

With all due respect, fuck outta here with that shit.

I shouldn't have to be pro-tier for an enjoyable experience, that is the issue here. Riot is sacrificing the enjoyment of the average player to try and force pro players to play the game how Riot want them to.

Mast3rShake2 votes

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That depends on what you mean by balance.

By that logic the game should be playable if you are at pro level.

With all due respect, fuck outta here with that shit.

I shouldn't have to be pro-tier for an enjoyable experience, that is the issue here. Riot is sacrificing the enjoyment of the average player to try and force pro players to play the game how Riot want them to.

What does this reply even mean? What do I mean by balance? The same thing everyone means, where in a given role there are many viable champs that give you an equal chance of winning.

You completely ignore the main point I bring up and tell me to gtfo. Again, how do you balance a game around a bunch of monkeys playing it?

Then you throw out this false dichotomy that if the game is balanced around pros only they can have a good experience. lolz. I have never been pro-tier, and have always played when LCS has been big and have enjoyed the game just as MILLIONS of others.

For the millionth time, how do you balance a game around people that don’t know how to play it? Should Riot make control wards cost 10g so low eo players may actually buy one? Should the game automatically give you warning pings when you are running into the fog of war and enemies are missing? Seriously, you can’t balance the game around people that dont understand it. Prove me wrong.

Divewing1 votes

Becuase who the fuck are you to say who knows how to play the game.

EVERYONE knows how to play the game. Not everyone knows how to play the game WELL.

Your callous selfish logic is catering to the 0.5%

Congratulations, 99.95% of the people who play League in the world are miserable simply because you're an ass who would justify Riot focusing entirely on pro play simply because "they are good at game"

(PS. 99.95% is way more than 50%, and is not balanced in the slightest)

heroikc6 votes

I think they need a slap to the face, a stern lecture, and some strong rehab.

MistsOfMystery1 votes

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I think they need a slap to the face, a stern lecture, and some strong rehab.

I agree I agree I agree

Janakin3 votes

I mean if they don't wanna fire, which is something I can understand, at least they should hire new ones.

GorillazNtheMyst3 votes

This meta is honestly the crappiest one I think I've ever played (since mid S4). Games are decided in 7 minutes, certain champions are out of control while other champions are useless, all fun is sucked out of the experience. It's like a "git er done" meta, where Riot just wants you to get through your game as fast as possible so they can cram more poor souls onto their server. Definitely quitting this game until they can figure some shit out and regain any credibility.

Pika Fox2 votes

Pretty sure riot knows more than you/the boards do about balance.

Best Fiddle5 votes

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Pretty sure riot knows more than you/the boards do about balance.

Yes, that explains the outlash from majority of the posts that are toppling the forums.

Leetri4 votes

"A million flies can't be wrong, eating shit is good for you" In other words, just cause some or even a lot of people complain doesn't mean they're right or know better. Just looking at the boards community patch notes tells you that 99% of the people here have noooooooo idea how to balance the game. Generally, people are great at telling you when something's wrong but they're terrible at telling you what's actually wrong.

Beacon Academy5 votes

You know what happens if no one eats your shit?

You end up with a lot of shit.

But yes. Lets ignore what has happened to other games.

History doesn't know jack shit.

4eva3 votes

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Pika Fox2 votes

Unlikely. Being good at the game and understanding what to change to balance the game or get the result you want are two different skillsets. Besides, the balance team does have high diamonds, masters and challengers on the team as well as does take input from people of varying skillsets.

Proof of concept; stonewall isnt a challenger player, but his opinions on the state of the jungle have historically been held in high regard because he actually knows what hes talking about and put effort into making his videos and guides and research. Being a challenger jungler wouldnt automatically put you on a higher platform than him. Two different skillsets.

TyroneWatermelon2 votes

they don't a great job?

seachrome2 votes

Oh this will definitely get Riot to pay more attention to the boards! trying to call for everyone you don't see eye to eye with to be fired always works!

DarkKatalyst2 votes

It's like they're dragging this game through the mud, thinking everything is going to be fine if they keep going... ...deeper and deeper into a swamp...

MistsOfMystery1 votes

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It's like they're dragging this game through the mud, thinking everything is going to be fine if they keep going... ...deeper and deeper into a swamp...

I agree I agree I agree!

DEVIL IKKI2 votes

Look at this, the players have spoken and the vast majority agree they need to fix this immediately or be fired.

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