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Does anyone want to explain how Kat is even remotely fair or balanced?

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb··6 votes·830 views

15s off all her cooldowns if she's damaged the guy who died in the last 3 seconds.

Q: 675 range. 10 / 9.5 / 9 / 8.5 / 8s cd. 60 / 85 / 110 / 135 / 160 + .45 AP magic damage. Hits 5 unique targets. Each subsequent target takes 10% reduced damage. Marks targets. Marked targets take 15 / 30 / 45 / 60 / 75+.15 AP magic damage when hit with any of Kat's spells or basic attacks.

W: 375 range. 4s cd. 40 / 75 / 110 / 145 / 180 + .25 AP + .6 bonus AD magic damage. She gains 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35% bonus ms

E: 700 range. 12 / 10.5 / 9 / 7.5 / 6s cd. 60 / 85 / 110 / 135 / 160 + .4 AP magic damage. Kat gains 15% damage reduction for 1.5s

R. 550 range. 90 / 60 / 45s cd. 35 / 55 / 75 + .25 AP + 37.5 bonus AD every .25s to 3 targets, up to 10 times. Applies grievous wounds.

She doesn't have resources. She has no trouble farming and trading at the same time. Her jump is instant, and can target anything. It gives her fucking damage reduction. Why does she 345 base ms, an instant 700 range dash, and an ms steroid? Why does she get grievous wounds on her ult? Why does the total AP scale equal nunu ult in 5/6 the time? Why is the bonus ad scale even there? There's no reason not to spam Q forever in lane. Why does she get her basic abilities up with 1 proc of her passive? Why does she get to use an ult with that much power on a 45s cooldown and potentially twice in a team fight?

20 Comments

Joe Dredd6 votes

Why does the total AP scale equal nunu ult in 5/6 the time?

because it takes just as long to fully use? And there's nothing inhibiting you from leaving Kat ult. Nunu has a huge slow applied.

Serevas5 votes

Here are a list of ways to deal with Katarina.

Build MR CC her during her ultimate Focus her in teamfights Play Cho'gath Play a champion with the mobility to get away from her Take the Exhaust summoner spell Play Yasuo Building zhonyas lets you sit through her entire burst entirely invulnerable Play a champion with lots of range so you can stay away from her Don't sit inside of your minions when laning Harass her back harder than she's harassing you Her Q has a pretty lengthy CD

Edit: Play Talon

Edit 2: Build Athene's Unholy Grail

EvilRabbitt1 votes

Play riven against her lane. I went something crazy like 9/2/13 or something before 20 minutes broke through BECAUSE I laned against Kat. Then when she roams, you shadow her AND WRECK IT. So easy.... Then some jerk swaps in Lissandra and Kat goes to another lane q.q

Red Frostraven1 votes

{quoted}

Here are a list of ways to deal with Katarina.

Build MR CC her during her ultimate Focus her in teamfights Play Cho'gath Play a champion with the mobility to get away from her Take the Exhaust summoner spell Play Yasuo Building zhonyas lets you sit through her entire burst entirely invulnerable Play a champion with lots of range so you can stay away from her Don't sit inside of your minions when laning Harass her back harder than she's harassing you Her Q has a pretty lengthy CD

Edit: Play Talon

"Pick counters or change your build completely to a more defensive version that is weak to physical damage and lacks damage because of ONE opponent, before she's even fed." Meanwhile, Katarina counters or ignores every single champion who is not her counter.

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Would she be horrible if her freaking TELEPORT was replaced by a "your next attack within 5 seconds" -- with a +50% movement speed until that time?

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I really don't like how all the assassins simply teleport instead of moving in.

The difference is massive.

Serevas1 votes

Actually almost all the assassins dash rather than teleport. LeBlanc uses a dash, Zed uses a dash, Diana, Ahri, Akali, Nidalee, Fizz, Kha'zix has a jump-dash thing.

Which assassins have teleports? Katarina, Talon, and Yasuo. You're right all the assassins teleport instead of moving in.

Furthermore it's far better to counter her damage before she even has it than to have to build it after she's torn you to ribbons in lane and proceeded to assassinate the rest of your team. I'm also not sure why you're worried about early physical damage if you're laning against a magic damage assassin.

Wolfram Oxford3 votes

Kat has a bunch of counters, you see it everywhere when you play with people who are good enough, as an example I was doing a match with one of my friends, as soon as the kat enters ult he'd ult the adc (he was lulu) and kat had no escape and was just killed. Kat is pretty good in chaotic team fights, but with this meta even really bad players are learning to team fight good. You should just try to ban the champions you hate, counter them, or get really good at a champion where it doesn't matter, just please do not complain about Katarina being op. By the way have you ever played yasuo? That is one of the best champion to pick against kat, her whole combo is almost instant so you shield will absorb most of it. You do more damage with aa, you have a wind wall that negates q's damage and ult, and I actually think w too...so yeah play yasuo if you want to counter and carry hard.

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

Wonderful decision OP, to downvote all the people who are providing legitimate counters and reasons why Kat is not over powered. It always breeds wonderful discussion opportunities

EvilRabbitt1 votes

Shhh, don't give them reason. That is only for the wise. Shhhhh....Zilean

Only Play Darius2 votes

Do you know what a stun/knockup is?

It's that cc that takes a hot shit on her if it lands, and decimates every other reset rampage assassin Katarina MasterYi Akali

Sonasaurous2 votes

Katarina is like a glass cannon ADC. If she doesn't kill you, you can two shot her with almost any champion. Additionally, every form of CC counters her.

SleepyLionCub2 votes

Any cc stops her ult dead. And her QEW combo is not high enough damage to kill full hp squishes, unless she is very fed.

Her Q has too high of a cooldown to farm with it early, and she always loses trades till level 6. She has great mid/late game. However you can easily stop her from getting more than 1 farm every 10 seconds. She loses every trade because her QEW leaves her wide open for counter attacks, ganks, and cc. If you really can't deal with her, pick malz, cho, or anyone else that has a short cooldown silence.

Miku Lv992 votes

She's not OP since targetted stuns exist. Just stun her as soon as she goes in and burst her down. Yes it takes way more skill to beat her than it takes to play her, but at the highest levels of play, she's complete trash. But in normal games she's really op since barely anyone stops her correctly.

warpenguin5551 votes

because she has like 3 good matchups in lane.

Drunk Rummate2 votes

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because she has like 3 good matchups in lane.

That's a common misconception. She's actually decent against a surprising number of picks if she plays well.

I think the issue with Kat is that when she gets ahead her QEW burst is enough to deal about 70% of a squishy champion's health making her resets almost instantaneous. She's very ult reliant for doing 100-0 burst, but in the heat of a teamfight it's not uncommon for people to drop to 50-70% range and just get clicked on and start the pain train.

Serevas1 votes

Actually now with Luden's her QEW will likely kill a squishy if she's ahead.

I'll even admit despite all the counters I know about, she is a little overly strong with Luden's

Der Lindwurm1 votes

Kat can clean up a whole team pretty quickly if they have no teamwork and have no idea how her abilities work and what they can do about them. That makes her OP. Or something.

That being said, I kind of wish they'd just go ahead and give her (and everyone else who doesn't already) mana.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

Sign my butt cheek.

Live2LetDie1 votes

Garen or chogath disagree with your opinion

straight4free1 votes

I play Viktor against Katarina and rock her world. Really not a fair match up.

I don't think she's balanced necessarily but you can deal with her.

frostywontons1 votes

Kat is only a problem in soloqueue where people are less apt to play dedicated counters or properly coordinate. I always ban Kat because I don't want to always have to play Cho or Lulu just to counter her if I go mid and to prevent a Kat snowball game if I don't go mid. Kat, like LB, is very unforgiving if you make a mistake, which are prevalent in soloqueue. I mean her damage output is very high and the ease of outputting said damage is not very difficult. The tired line about "CCing her" is less true in practice since a decent Kat player can just QWE without even popping R and deal 75-100% HP depending on the target and just pop out. Giver her an inch and she'll run with it.

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