Nerf AP malphite

TheAbyssWalker48·Aug 3, 2019·22 votes·6,089 views

Dont you just love it when a champ meant to be played as a tank is able to build full AP, press R and instantly delete your carry with an ult thats on a 30 second cooldown? Above all else, AP malphite is one of the most unfun things you can possibly play against because all he has to do is press R and win the game. He has a point and click slow to make it easy to press R and win, and since he built ap, that slow also does a ton of damage to. Its like playing against a late game veigar in the mid game, and instead of having 2 skill shots and a cage, there are no skill shots, hes tanky, and he doesnt even have to get you low for the ult to do major damage, he can just ult in, take away all or at least 75% HP, and just clap to kill you, it wouldnt be so bad if this was single target, but its not, its AOE, so unless your tank, if you have one that is, bodyblocks and dies in your place, then you get clapped and your screen becomes grey like an old horror movie, because leagues balancing team is terrifying.

Easy way to fix this would be to lower the AP ratio on the ult, or give it a longer CD, or both, but since they are trying to buff Malphite, reducing the AP ratio would probably be best.

27 Comments

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 3, 20196 votes

when a champ meant to be played as a tank is able to build full AP,

?? malphite is a burst mage, the heck you talking about?

tank malphite sounds like some extremely boring shit. why would you ever go tank on malphite?

TheAbyssWalker48Aug 15, 20195 votes

wanna know whats really fun? When you are a kayn main trying to get your form, and malhpite, an immobile champ that should make it easy to get red form is pushed up, So you E into the lane and you get 100-0 combod because he is lvl 6 with a full AP item. See, burst mages are fine, but the thing is, AP malphite has no counterplay. He goes in with R, knocks you up which takes most of your hp, and while you cant do anything he face rolls his keyboard and gets a free kill. Even if he dies its still worth because he can do that to the carry, and his ult is unstoppable which means, have fun trying to avoid a large hitbox with flash in .025 seconds. Burst mages are fine, so long as they have counterplay. You can counterplay and outplay an illaoi by keeping track of her tentacles, and running away when she ults, and maybe dodging her skill shots, you can outplay that, but you cannot outplay an AP malphite because his ult might as well be a point and click kill button. The solutions would to take away the fact that its unstoppable so there is counter play, or to nerf its AP scaling.

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 15, 20192 votes

you know what's also real fun? when some kayn pops outta the wall and just instakills me. how the hell are you trying to show he's an issue by using a champ who can do the exact same thing and more as an example.

getting bursted ain't fun what a surprise.

TheAbyssWalker48Aug 15, 20191 votes

thats blue kayn, who is very situational, which means you will see red kayn a lot more and blue kayn a lot less, and if the jungler can stop him in the early game, then bam, and he can still be outplayed, you can flash him, if you have kaisa you can use your E upgrade, vayne's tumble, Ezreals warp, or just respecting the damage of a bursty assassin whos fed and never be alone, the same thing is for khazix and rengar to, but this isnt about who can kill an adc the fastest, its about a champ that has a build with no counterplay and can 100-0 someone every 30 seconds in both the early and late game.

TheAbyssWalker48Aug 15, 20192 votes

against kayn or these assassins, you can have some ability to stop them, because they arent immune to CC when they go in to deal damage, Malphite is.

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 15, 20192 votes

Genuinly never thought i'd see someone claim ap malphite having no counterplay and then not just talk about kayn but fucking rengar as an example of counterplay. Rengar is literally the definition of o-death from stealth.

all that counterplay you mention also goes for ap malphite shut him down early? he ain't gonna do shit pre 6 and doesn't suddenly 1 shot ppl when he does. so he'll still need a jungler to instagib someone at that point. flash/dash away and half his damage is gone AND he loses his ult cdr reduction cuz he didn't kill you. so he's not gonna be getting it back in 20 seconds.

your original response shows you don't wanna adapt to a champ actually having a fighting chance when you used to shit on him.

When you are a kayn main trying to get your form, and malhpite, an immobile champ that should make it easy to get red

learn to deal with it, i have to do the same thing vs blue kayn, even on champs who can't "just dash away".

TheAbyssWalker48Aug 15, 20191 votes

yes, because its so easy to flash or dash away from a giant rock bullet. You pretty much have to have the reaction time of a cat to even hope to avoid a flashing ult malphite, but see, heres the thing, with assassins you generally have some kind of indicator that they are coming. With kayn its the blue ball in the wall,, with Rengar its the whole "hey, im coming to kill you" thing when he ults, with warwick its just the music you hear all game, with Kha, well if you're isolated chances are you're already doing something wrong. There is no warning or anything against an Ap malphite and like I said, AP malphite is good in literally every stage of the game, and if he is ulting, there is no way to counterplay it unless you or everyone on your team has the reflexes of a god, and can see into the future. And with the constant buffs to his abilities lately, its not even hard for him to win lane. Natural tankiness, a point and click 40% slow that makes jg ganks pretty much garunteed, and that slow also chunks when you have AP, etc etc.

TheAbyssWalker48Aug 15, 20191 votes

the only thing that im asking for here, is to either nerf the AP ratio, or take the unstoppable away from his ult so he can at least be stopped and so that people with great reaction times, foresight, etc, can actually react to a Malphite ult and stop it with cc.

TheAbyssWalker48Aug 15, 20191 votes

Even Hecarim, a champ with a similar ult to malphite can be stopped, mainly because if you see him charging at your team from across the map, you at least can expect that he is going to charge into someone then ult. But with Malphite he just presses R and goes, no warning, no counterplay. I shouldnt have to be Faker to fight an Ap malphite

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 15, 20192 votes

you can literally see malphite and stay outta ult range, like you do vs tank malphite. how the fuck is he even gonna be good pre 6? he either goes top and bullies so you can gank him or goes mid and gets outpoked. srsly just learn to play vs the champ smfh.

good thing it takes rengar and kayn so long to instakill you after you see their indicator. And honestly sure rengar's is a decent warning, but most of the time it's already too late when he knows how to use it.

Funny that you bring WW into this. Warwick is perfectly capable of 1 shotting someone without them ever hearing the song. from half the map away too. should his ap ratio's be nerfed now? his AP scaling that's on 1 ability?

and just use the edit button if you wanna add shit

hugemikeSep 18, 20192 votes

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you can literally see malphite and stay outta ult range

Except it's impossible to permanently stay out of ult range with an ap malphite as a carry with no movement abilities.

A lot of AP items grant bonus movement speed.
His Q steals movement speed and can be used on minions.
Celerity further boosts all the above.

mack9112Oct 4, 20191 votes

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?? malphite is a burst mage, the heck you talking about?

tank malphite sounds like some extremely boring shit. why would you ever go tank on malphite?

His tank build is his most played build.

Damocles DownAug 14, 20195 votes

I agree with this. Riot's balance team is shit because they have the guy who was the lead of the balance team in WoW for the longest time. AP malphite shouldn't be as terrifying as it is right now. They did away with so many hybrid champion builds, why leave this one alone? It was bad enough before they buffed him. Yet, instead of nerfing his scaling, they just buff his abilities and leave his scaling intact. Let him be one or the other, not both, especially not at the same time. He's meant to be a tank, not an AP assassin who can 100-0 people as soon as he gets lv6 and 1 full AP item. 2 AP items and the rest tanky and he can still 1shot squishies in mid-game.

ZezilianAug 3, 20194 votes

Have you ever tried quicksilver sash on your adc ? In fact AP Malphite is very one way play, he can be deleted easily if he is isolated or member of team has MR and can bait him.

TheAbyssWalker48Aug 15, 20192 votes

all he has to do is not get caught out, or just flash ult your carry because his ult is an unstoppable kill button. Unless you are iron 4, or in iron in general, you can generally see who to go for because they are the ones killing you over and over, or your team is spamming something like "FOCUS JINX PLZ!!!!!!" So what does malphite have to do to win the game for his team? Build AP, flash ult the Jinx, or whoever their carry is. Even if he gets deleted a ton of a abilities and CC are wasted on him, Jinx is still pushed out of the fight, which means Malphite's team has a much better chance of winning the team fight because it might as well be ARAM on the rift. QSS is useless because you cant QSS a knockup, (technically you can, but you cant move until you hit the ground) and even without slowing you, his ult is almost a garunteed hit anyway. The moment he has one full AP item and has his ultimate. He is a one shotting machine with no counterplay. Illaoi is busted with her new AP scaling, but you can avoid her tentacles, manage them, and run away when she ults. Malphite just point and click chunks you and slows you, and then gets a free kill because he decided to be a good boy and press R, then face roll his keyboard while you're in the air. The best way to balance AP malphite is to either lower the AP scaling, or to give people the ability to stop malphite ult with CC. By doing the second option, there would be some level of counterplay.

hugemikeSep 18, 20191 votes

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Have you ever tried quicksilver sash on your adc ?

you can't cleanse a knock up. And he doesn't need to slow you with his Q, he just needs the movement speed it gives him.

The Stripy BagSep 22, 20192 votes

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you can't cleanse a knock up. And he doesn't need to slow you with his Q, he just needs the movement speed it gives him.

Actually you can QSS a knock up it's just you need a dash to kick start yourself mid air.

MavëríckSep 27, 20191 votes

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Have you ever tried quicksilver sash on your adc ? In fact AP Malphite is very one way play, he can be deleted easily if he is isolated or member of team has MR and can bait him.

Seriously this. Build item 3155 and he can't even halve you much less one shot you.

MalphiteTheRockSep 27, 20192 votes

As a ap malphite main, i can give you a tip. Play tanks, Ap malphite is garbage against a tank, yes i agree his burst is REALLY high. But you can also focus malph really early, so malphite doesn't get fed early so he wont do that much if he doesnt get fed, if you/your teammates play def the only way for him to get gold his AP build costs alot, however when you play top trynda,yi (for some reason) literally any mele champion that requires mainly AA to kill, is pretty much screwed when playing against malphite. You can try playing a champion that has high poke dmg. You can also try like... Banning him? the build i use: item 3285 item 3152 item 3157 item 3116 item 3020 item 3089 it costs 15900 gold total. he would have to kill: -53 champions. or -127 minion waves (before 15:00). or -108 minion waves (before 17:15). or -106 minion waves (before 25:00). or -81 minion waves (after 25:00). Good Luck with your future matches. [slayer-jinx-wink]

hugemikeOct 4, 20191 votes

I played 8 ap malphite jungle games in a row and only lost 2, one was because my team was full of potatoes and I couldn't deal with the Zed and the other was because Olaf and Kayn face rolled us. And what I found in these 8 games is frankly disgusting. Malphites clear is actually ridiculous so he can get lvl 6 extremely quick, then all he has to do is run around the map, find lanes that are pushed up and ult. That's it. That's all he needs to secure a kill. While top lane malphite might be easy to punish with jungle pressure when that malphite is in the jungle it's nearly impossible to keep vision on him at all times.

XavanicAug 3, 20191 votes

you clearly haven't played against a good illoai if you think malph is the most unfun

TheAbyssWalker48Aug 15, 20195 votes

the difference between illaoi and AP malphite, is against illaoi, you can dodge her tentacles and manage them, and run away when she ults. Malphite only needs to get lvl 6, point and click chunk slow somebody, press R and face roll his keyboard to win the game. If he takes ultimate hunter, then he is ulting garunteed every single teamfight so he will win almost every single team fight unless he is iron 4 and inting

ZeroSixTeenSep 22, 20191 votes

Ap malphite is the definition of no counterplay. The only option you have is to flash the ult, and that can be done but not if he flash ults you or if he ults from fog of war. and you have flash every 5 minutes, so IF you can flash it you can only flash 1/10 ults. Its so blatantly obvious that this champion is a problem. Now its just sitting there as a giant display of the incompetence that exists within the balance team. It should not be possible for such a thing to exist within the game for such a long time without the balance team seeing it, but somehow this balance team still manages to do it. IMO such a thing alone would be more than enough reason to fire people. Its your only job to look for these things and deal with them, you are utterly incapable of it apparently. Just nerf it into the ground until someone can rework it so there is some gameplay in it.

K0usenSep 28, 20191 votes

They could actually do a lot of things to nerf him without nerfing the damage, like make it so his ult stops at the 1st unit he encounter, so you can at least hide behind your minions or your tank, or just make his aoe smaller. i don't get why this sh*t has been rampant for so long. And Aram isn't even fun anymore once there is a malph in a team as everytime he uses R+E he takes out at least 2 champs.

hugemikeOct 4, 20191 votes

having a smaller AOE would actually make it balanced by making it both harder to hit and less likely to hit multiple enemies.