Fixing the toxicity in League and adding incentive for people to be less toxic.

TheAbyssWalker48·Oct 1, 2018·5 votes·3,857 views

We all have those mains, those mains, and all those other toxic people in our ranked games. (Im a Yasuo main but I like to think i'm one of the less toxic ones..) You know, those people who will throw a fit after just a couple mistakes are made in a game, and will either completely throw the game or just flat out run it down mid. Now I believe the honor system was the first step to fixing the toxicity in league but I feel like it could be taken a step further by adding a setting that lets you only queue up with people of similar honor level or people with a good reputation in League of Legends to help avoid these types of people in games. Obviously this is most prominent in lowers ranks such as bronze, silver and gold, but it also exists in the higher ELOs as well. I do understand that adding a feature like this would lengthen queue times. However if you take a look at a similar game to league as an example, Overwatch, with their new system. You have to wait longer to get into games or get your teams, yes. But at least you know that you will be getting good teammates who actually will do everything it takes to climb the ladder with you and will give people reasons to act better in games. Because if they want better teammates then they themselves will have to act better. Keep in mind this idea would be a setting you can turn on and off if you aren't willing to wait the longer queue times.

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VoldymortOct 1, 20183 votes

but I feel like it could be taken a step further by adding a setting that lets you only queue up with people of similar honor level or people with a good reputation in League of Legends to help avoid these types of people in games.

People with honor 5 post in here about bans about as frequently as everyone else. Honor is not an indicative of how "non toxic" you are

TheAbyssWalker48Oct 1, 20181 votes

Right, and i do understand that, however generally people who are toxic and flame would most likely be at the lower honor levels. Now getting upset and flamimg is one thing but im talking about the people who get upset and intentionally throw games or just stop trying, which are reportable offenses which will throw people at a lower honor level. Which means it can be generally agreed that if you have people of a higher honor level in your games, they are more likely to not throw games or anything like that.

VoldymortOct 1, 20181 votes

your mental gymnastics give me a headache.

it reminds me of a joke:

_One year, a young Ojibwe boy was given the task of ensuring the entire village had enough wood for winter. This was the first time he had been given such an honor and he wanted to do it right. Before he went to work he decided to call the weatherman to ask what kind of a winter was to be expected. The weather man told him it was going to be a warm and uneventful winter. The boy thought to himself, ‘this is great. I won’t have to work too hard and I’ll be able to look good in front of the whole tribe.’ _ Just to be safe, he gathered a few of his friends and they went to work for a week. At the end of the week, after chopping and piling the wood, the boy decided to give the weatherman a second call. The weatherman told him it was going to be a very cold winter. Shocked at this sudden change and not wanting to disappoint the elders of his village, he gathered more of his friends and they went to work. For two weeks they cut and piled wood, hoping that it would be enough to last the whole winter.

Once again the boy called the weatherman and this time the weatherman told him, “Son, its going to be a very bitter, cold and long winter. Maybe the worst winter on record.”

Exasperated, the boy had to ask, “What makes you say that sir?”

The weatherman replies, “The Indians are gathering wood like crazy!”

however generally people who are toxic and flame would most likely be at the lower honor levels.

do you have proof of this claim or is it the "i said so therefore it's true" argument?

TheAbyssWalker48Oct 1, 20182 votes

If someone is toxic and starts feeding or intentionally throws the game. Chances are they arent getting honored, rather they are getting reported which if the AI punishes them for it, they are at lvl 0 amd have to work up from there. When you have a good player who is the opposite. They might not be carrying the team but they are trying their best to contribute, chances are they will be honored thus will have a higher honor level. This system i have in mind revolves entirely how the community percieves you.

VoldymortOct 1, 20183 votes

the problem with your chain of thought that you keep ignoring is that all those players you exemplify could very well be** at honor 5 BEFORE the punishment struck** so saying that "being honor 5 means it's a higher chance that you're not toxic" is plain silly

all new accounts are level 2 by default. does that mean that they are all toxic untill they reach honor 5?

there is no reason to believe that honor 5 means not-toxic just like there is no reason to believe that mastery 7 on a champion means skilled with said champion

the Heimerdinger with the highest mastery score (8+ mil pts) in the game is bronze 5

TheAbyssWalker48Oct 1, 20181 votes

This isn't about skill, its moreso about the character of the player. Im talking about the type of people that if you tilt them by making a bad play then they just refuse to help the team. An example being in one of my recent games, I was playing Kayn jg and I had a couple bad ganks top, so my top laner refused to group with the team and intentionally threw the game. The hope with this idea is that even if the teammates that you get don't have the most skill, because that isn't a factor that can really be controlled, im hoping to at least get paired up with people who wont get tilted off the face of the planet and will actually try to win the game instead of intentionally throwing it. But other than that, all im saying is if you have the ability to queue up with people who specifically have a higher honor level, chances are they will be less toxic, some of them might be toxic yeah, but its to lessen the chances of you running into toxic players

VoldymortOct 2, 20181 votes

chances are they will be less toxic

And how do you know this is the case?

TheAbyssWalker48Oct 2, 20181 votes

because i got moves to honor lvl 0 multiple times for being toxic myself

HockerOct 1, 20182 votes

Agree completely... though making it about honor level would be a mistake since you don't always get honor when you deserve it.

The answer that you're looking for is Prisioner's Island... and I'm an advocate! Riot is notoriously a tough sell on it, so it probably won't happen.

Riot really SHOULD think about changing that position though. The people who want to troll will troll, and a lot of them live in low elo because of it. If Riot were to put people like that in their own isolated queue, they could have all the toxic "fun" THEY want to have while everyone else would be free to work with a more mature environment.

Now, I'm not against redemption. I'm sure there's an algorithm that can track if someone stops the toxic behavior... they should be given an ability to fight their way out of the prison queue.

but i know it's not a popular idea around here because people get afraid that they might end up there... which is THE WHOLE POINT!!!

TheAbyssWalker48Oct 1, 20181 votes

Chances are if enough people want it then changes will be made, which is why i made this in hopes that it does get noticed, but even if it is about honor, so long as you arent lvl 0 or 1 then you should at least get decent players with the season reset being the golden chance for those players to redeem themselves.

Binding EclipseOct 1, 20181 votes

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Agree completely... though making it about honor level would be a mistake since you don't always get honor when you deserve it.

The answer that you're looking for is Prisioner's Island... and I'm an advocate! Riot is notoriously a tough sell on it, so it probably won't happen.

Riot really SHOULD think about changing that position though. The people who want to troll will troll, and a lot of them live in low elo because of it. If Riot were to put people like that in their own isolated queue, they could have all the toxic "fun" THEY want to have while everyone else would be free to work with a more mature environment.

Now, I'm not against redemption. I'm sure there's an algorithm that can track if someone stops the toxic behavior... they should be given an ability to fight their way out of the prison queue.

but i know it's not a popular idea around here because people get afraid that they might end up there... which is THE WHOLE POINT!!!

If it's done right, I don't see much of an issue with it. However, with Rito's big reliance on report-bot punishments...it could lead to some bullshit pretty quickly, then next thing you know the boards are on fire.

TheAbyssWalker48Oct 1, 20182 votes

Like you said it depends on if its done right. The idea is that if you are stuck with toxic teams then you are to blame for being that toxic. But whenever i play league, i really enjoy the game itself and it hardly ever tilts me, but the people i play with.. that stirs up something spicy sometimes so i know that i would personally like to have some way to heighten my chances at least to get some less toxic players that actually try to win

Vlada CutOct 2, 20182 votes

A person get's to honor lvl 5 the 1st day hinor resets Queues up Queue wait time 253 hours 48 minutes and 33 seconds Empty desert wind howling intensifies

TheAbyssWalker48Oct 2, 20181 votes

Well keep in mind they can choose the honor level of the people they want on their team, also they would have the choice of trying to queue up with specific honor levels or not. If they dont then its basically normal solo queue

SarutobiOct 1, 20181 votes

So how exactly would you determine these players are "good" players? Are we basing this solely on a good score, honors? With that said how would this work with Rank? Wouldn't this just make people honor less because it will bump those people up, but probably not you unless you know for a fact people will honor you.

You should probably tell us exactly how Overwatch does this, because as someone who doesnt play Overwatch (at least not as much as i play league) I have no idea what this new system is, nor what/how it actually helps people achieve what you want it to achieve!

TheAbyssWalker48Oct 1, 20181 votes

In overwatch their honor system is called endorsement. Like leagues honor system it has levels, 1 being the lowest. When forming a team you can set an endorsement restriction so that only players of a specific endorsement level can enter your lobby. Having a higher endorsement level means you perform well in your games and you arent toxic. The idea here is that the option would allow you to choose the honor level of your team in solo queue or have the option of queuing up with people of your same honor level. Meaning if your honor level is 0, then you get stuck with other people like you who get tilted and flame, and if you dont like having teams like that, then you become less toxic to get better teams. Overwatch has similar endorsement options that are almost exactly like League's as well. But how it would work is, before you go into queue, you can have a setting to where you can choose an honor level of the people you would like to play with, but it cannot go above your own honor level. So if your honor level is 3, you could set it to 3 or any number below. And the system could look for people with that specific honor level as teammates, but you cannot set the level above 3. Even games like Dark Souls have something similar. Only their version is, if you get caught hacking in the game then you can only play with other hackers, so this idea would be possible and would probably simmer down the toxicity in league, or at least isolate it a bit to the point to where generally toxic players are only playing with other toxic players.

SarutobiOct 1, 20181 votes

So just to be clear it's basically like a Prisoner island? In that people are grouped up with bad people? Riot has already stated they do not want anything like that in their game because usually in cases like this once you are stuck on this Prisoner Island you cannot get out, and that goes against their reforming player philosophy!

With that said how easy is it to "endorse" another player? Is it exactly like league and only one person per match? Or can you do it for everyone on the team/enemy team? I only ask because what's stopping groups or people in general just endorsing anyone/everyone and screwing up the system?

Sorry im asking so many questions but, but I do appreciate you answering what you can!

TheAbyssWalker48Oct 1, 20181 votes

In overwatch getting endorsed is the same thing as getting honored after a game of league. So it wouldnt be prisinor island if you arent toxic and keep in mind this would be an option you can turn on and off. Basically if you had a low honor level you would turn the setting off and solo queue normally to try to raise the level till you could take advantage of the system. Now as for tje group thing. Nothing is stopping that right now but riot has said that you rise in honor slow enough to where it's not worth begging to get honored.

MegaLobunnyOct 1, 20181 votes

I’m only honor level two because I started playing again late into the season and sometimes only play a couple games a day. Implementing a system like this would end up punishing people like me by grouping us with lower honor people. Not to mention how long the queue times would become.

TheAbyssWalker48Oct 1, 20181 votes

Keep in mind i am an honor level 0 player so i definitely do get what youre saying. (Not honor 0 because of teammates, more so from connection issues that pissed me off and my team kept tryna tilt me more) If this were to happen it would actually negatively impact me but i am thinking in terms of the whole game. Lvl 2 isnt a bad honor level tho, its neutral. The whole point is trying to isolate the quitters, the toxic people etc from the people who are serious about climbing to try to make league more enjoyable for the masses