Anyone else think shaco has fallen FAR from his pre-rework balanced state

Bellows·Jan 7, 2017·2 votes·652 views

He was only occasionally annoying before the rework, and quite balanced. Literally one of the most perfectly balanced champs next to Vel Koz or something. Why did they have to change it? He does NO damage now early game like hes SUPPOSED to do. And late game, he cant contend with ANYONE. Quite pitiful and I LOVED playing shaco, but now I can't BARE it at all.

Rengar rework was stupidly op, you considered keeping it on the revert table but not shaco for revert seeing hes almost an untter failure?

I cant play such a fun champ anymore cause hes almost completely unviable.

10 Comments

Ragnar42Jan 7, 20172 votes

Riot's probably just trying to make that toxic POS Shaclone quit the game. soon as he's out, Shaco comes back in full force.

BellowsJan 7, 20172 votes

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Riot's probably just trying to make that toxic POS Shaclone quit the game. soon as he's out, Shaco comes back in full force.

I watch him and enjoy him, I dont find him that toxic, just sassy af. Tyler 1, now THATS toxic... atleast he used to be.

dunder killJan 7, 20171 votes

He inted enough to get his account permabanned

"I don't find him that toxic"

BellowsJan 7, 20171 votes

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He inted enough to get his account permabanned

"I don't find him that toxic"

I didnt know that. I only seen a couple of his vids.

AhristocatsJan 7, 20171 votes

people trolled him by banning shaco on purpose and telling him to dodge

so he inted

dakota saturnJan 7, 20171 votes

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I watch him and enjoy him, I dont find him that toxic, just sassy af. Tyler 1, now THATS toxic... atleast he used to be.

Lol really? I consider myself not a very good member of the community - I give up easily, rage over a single death, I am overly critical of myself, and I get massively tilted from my own mistakes, hence why I can't climb out of gold to save my life - but I don't purposely int and run down mid when someone bans my champion. I didn't read too much into the guy before the past few months when he inted on stream - people doing that shit at high elo makes others think it's ok to do it. I'm very glad he was perm-banned, and hope he -does- get the tyler1 ban-on-site treatment for all the toxicity he represents.

That being said, pre-rework shaco basically meant you have to give your lane opponent free reign to do whatever the fk he wants since the second you step outside of your turret, there he is with his stupid boxes, giving my opponent first blood, and snowballing them to the point of making me useless. Shifting his power curve to mid/late game is better overall for the game since before it just encouraged people to hide under turret all game since he can show up at any given point.

Darth SidioussJan 7, 20171 votes

wait so who exactly is shaclone is he like a twitch steamer or ?

Darth SidioussJan 7, 20171 votes

Shaco AP rn is pretty good and viable but riot is nerfing it the following patch.. from there on out i worry about the state of the clown.

Genocide VictimJan 7, 20171 votes

Wtf are you talking about, he has a 55% win rate.

WarHero54Jan 7, 20171 votes

Try playing top lane shaco after this nerf. Utter garbage!

No sustain (even in mana if you try one q your out half your mana early game)
He has to rely on items to do any damage now cause his base damage tickles enemies
Most of his damage comes from boxes early game even if you play mind games with boxes your gonna get lucky at that point cause you have to be a dumbass to act greedy and be forward against a shaco
The only way to do good mid/late game with team is to snowball hard but thats almost impossible (see 1-3 as to why)
if your near a shaco that Q'd they implemented a weird siloet visual effect where you can see where he goes so skillshot players like oriana can stomp on a shaco even late game.
Building him ap is the best way to get damage but can easily be countered with a banshee's veil taking half his initial damage burst.

Lets not forget that statistics in win rates can be very different depending on the situation as in: the matchup if its a normal, draft or a ranked game which lane the champion is used in.

For example, this week, if you take the win rate of normals the highest win rate currently is Shyvana with 55.7% winrate and the lowest is Nidalee with a 39.5% winrate. Problem with that statistic is no one is caring about the variables of the win and how it was done. So shaco gets punished for having a high winrate because majority of the wins were from a jg going a specific type (ad or ap) therefore nerf him and let every shoco player who dosnt play by majority of the winrate only suffer. (side note the winrate of shaco is average with the winrate of all the highest winrates of the other champions its just the community crying about shaco comming back as a good champ is what the real problem lies)

I'm not saying I was an amazing shaco player but I had a skill rate enough to get an S here and there at the top lane. But it was because I had to play ridiculous mind games to get them into a box trap to do any damage early game (which is part of the fun). Now even with my tactics I cant win against any top laners. Its literally every game is adrenaline enduing to even get 1 kill cause its that difficult. Overall if you play smart in general Shaco is literally no threat.