Lost a 1v1 against a hecarim, as a fed darius.

Rivuo··1 votes·1,019 views

Can someone Replay.GG my last game as darius on the account ''Defended''

It just doesnt work for me for some reason.

It was around the 25 minute mark i fought a hec who wasent as fed, but had baron.

Lost a 1v1 against him and landed every Q.

I'd like to see it tbh

edit; he looked pretty even in gold

23 Comments

Tychusfindlay9192 votes

Makes no sense. Darius counters hecarim pretty heavily, nevermind the fact that you were fed.

I'm calling bullshit on your supposed perfect micro. Either that or you had some shit tier build, I'll see if I can find it but Im on my ipad right now so I dont think I can view the video.

Rivuo1 votes

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Makes no sense. Darius counters hecarim pretty heavily, nevermind the fact that you were fed.

I'm calling bullshit on your supposed perfect micro. Either that or you had some shit tier build, I'll see if I can find it but Im on my ipad right now so I dont think I can view the video.

You can call bullshit if you want. Go on replay.gg and try to find the video

it was on ''Appletwinkle'' not defended sry

Rivuo1 votes

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Makes no sense. Darius counters hecarim pretty heavily, nevermind the fact that you were fed.

I'm calling bullshit on your supposed perfect micro. Either that or you had some shit tier build, I'll see if I can find it but Im on my ipad right now so I dont think I can view the video.

Its at 30 minutes. He had a 2 lvl lead on me and baron.

TragicTricks1 votes

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Its at 30 minutes. He had a 2 lvl lead on me and baron.

If he had a 2 level lead on you, im going to assume he had more farm. And if he had more farm he probably had just as much gold as you if not more.

Tychusfindlay9193 votes

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If he had a 2 level lead on you, im going to assume he had more farm. And if he had more farm he probably had just as much gold as you if not more.

Yea but looking at both of their builds, assuming darius had the cleaver, randuins, and deadmans at that point, it wouldn't matter what hecarim had, he has been outscaled permanently in dueling scenarios.

I will be able to view the video once I get home, but the OP isn't sharing the full story or he really fucked up hard and just doesnt want to admit it/he doesnt see it. The OP said he was fed, and it's possible to "farm champions" with a lot of roaming which gives a lot of gold but not a lot of experience, allowing hecarim to get a sizable level lead if he was farming instead of trying to skirmish and kill people.

Baron is a sizable buff, but not ridicilous enough to really tip the matchup in hecarim's favor. Hec's team also got a bunch of drakes while the OP had none, fire drakes would help to further skew the battle if they made up any part of the drake advantage.

EDIT

Although I couldnt see the video, the OP laned against an AD top lane and an AD jungle, and yet he bought spirit visage before buying randuins, he completed randuins at the 32 minute mark, after the duel. That in and of itself is a pretty huge fuck up. I understand that there is a twisted fate, but why the hell delay randuins for spirit visage when your lane opponent and the jungler are both heavily AD? Not to mention, the OP doesn't know how to or refused to farm up like an intelligent league of legends player. No game should end with a jungler having equivalent farm to a solo laner. The fact that hecarim had only one cs less than darius at the end of the game is a red flag.

At 30 minutes the OP had item 3742 item 3071 item 3111 item 3065 item 1011

Hecarim had item 3078 item 3009 item 1401 item 3065 item 3742

Upon further checking, here was another red light.

The OP went W over E max. Oh boy... What is this? Season 4? Holy shit. Max E over W always. The OP was missing out on incredibly valuable free armor pen against a bruiser. Cmon, first grade darius tips here.

Also, OP ran stormraiders surge while hecarim went SoTA, so the keynote advantage goes heavily to hecarim. Stormraiders is a terrible keynote on darius when fighting against other durable opponents, especially if you're going to derp and max W over E so you miss out on armor pen.

And the veterans scars over runic armor... No scale, no scale at all. Pure early game, fall off like a brick.

Rivuo1 votes

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If he had a 2 level lead on you, im going to assume he had more farm. And if he had more farm he probably had just as much gold as you if not more.

Every Q landed except one on the heal.

It looked like i took too much baron minion damage.

As for items we were both pretty even. But yeah looks like the minion damage oblierated me, but he was still too tanky for his own good.

Rivuo1 votes

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Makes no sense. Darius counters hecarim pretty heavily, nevermind the fact that you were fed.

I'm calling bullshit on your supposed perfect micro. Either that or you had some shit tier build, I'll see if I can find it but Im on my ipad right now so I dont think I can view the video.

I like people like you.

''OP is dumb, OP is retarded, OP is bronze, OP didnt have perfect micro''

Then you read the response right under where it states the 2 level lead + baron + absorbing minion too much minion damage and hecs items.

But ya know, instead of me already pointing it out, you claim there are stuff ''hidden'' or whatnot.

But i will consider your advice of maxing E over W :] it sounds pleasant and using W for the slow seems more viable when you have more armor pen because darius damage does seem iffy as hell with W max

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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I like people like you.

''OP is dumb, OP is retarded, OP is bronze, OP didnt have perfect micro''

Then you read the response right under where it states the 2 level lead + baron + absorbing minion too much minion damage and hecs items.

But ya know, instead of me already pointing it out, you claim there are stuff ''hidden'' or whatnot.

Gl

With the exception of the possibility that your micro wasn't perfect, I said none of the above in your quote.

If you look at the timing of my responses and yours, I didn't see the fact that you took baron minion damage (or how much even) because your post wasn't registered on my screen.

Even then, you made the statement in that same response "he's too tanky..." and yet you maxed W over E. I mean... seriously dude? You finish spirit visage before randuins while facing a critplank top and Hecarim jungle. Really?

I have every prerogative as a high elo darius OTP to look down upon you and your horrendous decision-making but I never did once say anything like "you're retarded" or "you're bronze." Take what I say however you feel like it, but don't make stuff up out of nowhere.

Rivuo1 votes

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With the exception of the possibility that your micro wasn't perfect, I said none of the above in your quote.

If you look at the timing of my responses and yours, I didn't see the fact that you took baron minion damage (or how much even) because your post wasn't registered on my screen.

Even then, you made the statement in that same response "he's too tanky..." and yet you maxed W over E. I mean... seriously dude? You finish spirit visage before randuins while facing a critplank top and Hecarim jungle. Really?

I have every prerogative as a high elo darius OTP to look down upon you and your horrendous decision-making but I never did once say anything like "you're retarded" or "you're bronze." Take what I say however you feel like it, but don't make stuff up out of nowhere.

You dont get spirit visage for the MR. You get it for the heal amplification and CDR, Also from my understanding, Hecarim does do magic damage,

You should know that if you're a ''darius OTP''

''Your horrendous decision making''

Lol ok

Since you wanna talk about ''high elo'' and shit just know that my 2 main accounts ( 1 is higher than you and the other is in plat )

Since you're plat 1.

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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You dont get spirit visage for the MR. You get it for the heal amplification and CDR, Also from my understanding, Hecarim does do magic damage,

You should know that if you're a ''darius OTP''

''Your horrendous decision making''

Lol ok

Since you wanna talk about ''high elo'' and shit just know that my 2 main accounts ( 1 is higher than you and the other is in plat )

Since you're plat 1.

I could care less of the state of your mysterious "main accounts" that you dont care to name or talk in. Besides, I've stopped climbing entirely, I merely play about a ranked match every two weeks just to keep from decaying.

As for the quotes in your post here, yes, those were made after you made it clear that you intended to be antagonistic. In any case, yea, your decision making was undeniably horrendous, and that can be seen in the replay statistics. You made many wrong decisions.

Rivuo1 votes

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I could care less of the state of your mysterious "main accounts" that you dont care to name or talk in. Besides, I've stopped climbing entirely, I merely play about a ranked match every two weeks just to keep from decaying.

As for the quotes in your post here, yes, those were made after you made it clear that you intended to be antagonistic. In any case, yea, your decision making was undeniably horrendous, and that can be seen in the replay.

First off its

''I cant care less''

saying ''i could care less'' implies you care.

Second i referenced my other accounts because you spoke of your high elo and i wanted to inform you that you arent higher than me but you might be more experienced with darius than i am.

And my decisions cant be ''undeniably horrendous'' if i went 14-7?+/- in that game and secured the objectives that i was able to..

Thanks

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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First off its

''I cant care less''

saying ''i could care less'' implies you care.

Second i referenced my other accounts because you spoke of your high elo and i wanted to inform you that you arent higher than me but you might be more experienced with darius than i am.

And my decisions cant be ''undeniably horrendous'' if i went 14-7?+/- in that game and secured the objectives that i was able to..

Thanks

Oh god forbid I make a small error with a saying. Are we going to start a grammar nazi war now? You're a joke.

Second, I couldn't care less about the reasoning behind mentioning your other unnamed accounts.

Third, you don't need experience with darius to know that you should build randuins before SV against a critplank top and hecarim jg.

Some of the other issues are just logical. You have powerful healing capabilities, runic armor makes more sense than vet scar so dont go vet scar, etc.

Rivuo1 votes

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Oh god forbid I make a small error with a saying. Are we going to start a grammar nazi war now? You're a joke.

Second, I could care less about the reasoning behind mentioning your other unnamed accounts.

Third, you don't need experience with darius to know that you should build randuins before SV against a critplank top and hecarim jg.

Some of the other issues are just logical. You have powerful healing capabilities, runic armor makes more sense than vet scar so dont go vet scar, etc.

It seems the W CD is extremely nice for catching people. But i did notice darius damage against anything remotely tanky is extremely bad if you go W max. I havent maxed E

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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It seems the W CD is extremely nice for catching people. But i did notice darius damage against anything remotely tanky is extremely bad if you go W max. I havent maxed E

I assume this means we'll go back to a more civil discussion?

Also, the E max is typically better for catching people out. While another Rank in W may give you one second cd less, another rank in E is three (correct me if I get something technical wrong lol) seconds off cd.

I would also suggest checking out r/dariusmains some time, even if you arent planning on maining darius, everyone is welcome there and many questions you might have can be answered or have already been answered there.

Rivuo1 votes

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I assume this means we'll go back to a more civil discussion?

Also, the E max is typically better for catching people out. While another Rank in W may give you one second cd less, another rank in E is three (correct me if I get something technical wrong lol) seconds off cd.

I would also suggest checking out r/dariusmains some time, even if you arent planning on maining darius, everyone is welcome there and many questions you might have can be answered or have already been answered there.

I mean i have around 180 games as Darius. i have an adc background so kiting with phage while using the Q Efficiently is no problem for me ( you can watch the replay and see how i laned and comment on that )

My problem with Darius is that despite people complaining about him a lot, im actually surprised at how low his damage can be when hes hitting something that has any armor.

By the time you rack up 5 stacks on a maokai/trundle/nautilus, you are either dead from the adc or your team is dead.

My point is i just dont appreciate his damage after lane on targets with armor. I feel like its extremely questionable.

But that could be because i max W second and not E.

I'm also using attack speed Quints i see a lot of people use AD quints

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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I mean i have around 180 games as Darius. i have an adc background so kiting with phage while using the Q Efficiently is no problem for me ( you can watch the replay and see how i laned and comment on that )

My problem with Darius is that despite people complaining about him a lot, im actually surprised at how low his damage can be when hes hitting something that has any armor.

By the time you rack up 5 stacks on a maokai/trundle/nautilus, you are either dead from the adc or your team is dead.

My point is i just dont appreciate his damage after lane on targets with armor. I feel like its extremely questionable.

But that could be because i max W second and not E.

I'm also using attack speed Quints i see a lot of people use AD quints

Yeah, maxing E is great because that's 25% total armor pen on its own.

I cant remember the math exactly, but with cleaver and max e, you can negate a little under half of an enemy's total armor. With that in mind, that's why you should max e first (nvm the 3 second cd reduction on your biggest anti kite and only hard cc ability).

The damage you do to tanks in comparison to an adc is lower, but when you compare yourself to other frontliners youll be amazed at what darius can do. In any case, Late game is about five stacking a tank and moving towards the backline, not fighting the tank after five stacks.

Rivuo1 votes

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Yeah, maxing E is great because that's 25% total armor pen on its own.

I cant remember the math exactly, but with cleaver and max e, you can negate a little under half of an enemy's total armor. With that in mind, that's why you should max e first (nvm the 3 second cd reduction on your biggest anti kite and only hard cc ability).

The damage you do to tanks in comparison to an adc is lower, but when you compare yourself to other frontliners youll be amazed at what darius can do. In any case, Late game is about five stacking a tank and moving towards the backline, not fighting the tank after five stacks.

IMO the biggest problem i have right now period is Darius being eaten in lane.

Theres been so many times where just picking a ranged champ into darius i feel like is a free win.

Because lets be honest, darius is the prime example of a champ who can be perfectly kited.

Hell even teemo shreds dar up

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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IMO the biggest problem i have right now period is Darius being eaten in lane.

Theres been so many times where just picking a ranged champ into darius i feel like is a free win.

Because lets be honest, darius is the prime example of a champ who can be perfectly kited.

Hell even teemo shreds dar up

Take summoner 6 summoner 4 and rush defense boots before or after phage. Play around low hp minions with the phage passive and apprehend range and you can make things happen.

Fuck jayce hes broken. He's the only relevant ranged top laner that can fuck you over all day long.

Teemo isnt even that bad, and at the very least you heavily outscale teemo with your massively better teamfight.

Rivuo1 votes

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Take summoner 6 summoner 4 and rush defense boots before or after phage. Play around low hp minions with the phage passive and apprehend range and you can make things happen.

Fuck jayce hes broken. He's the only relevant ranged top laner that can fuck you over all day long.

Teemo isnt even that bad, and at the very least you heavily outscale teemo with your massively better teamfight.

do you take tabi or merc treads

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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do you take tabi or merc treads

Although it's best to take into account the enemy team, if your laner is incredibly oppressive (for example, vayne or quinn, even though they're very rare top lane because they actually suck ass as top laners when you factor in ability to handle ganks) you may have to disregard the overall enemy team composition and go for a tabi or merc treads depending on the primary damage form from the enemy top laner.

Tenth Leper1 votes

Is there any possibility he outplayed you?

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

ApexCH I implore you to look at the response I made to TragicTricks, you have some learning to do.

Zelorxon1 votes

with "fed" you mean 11/4/10 with 100 minions at 30 mins? What was your build? what was his build? did he red smited you?

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