Can we get a Rioter to talk about Udyr for a second?

NA Darklarik··2 votes·660 views

Now, im not denying he needs nerfs or that his Runic build is broken RN, but when did this happen? Ive been maining Udyr Udyr from season 2 and ive always been told hes a trash champion "only good for solo que" and how he is clitche and easy to counter (Still got to diamond with him so jokes on them)...

But now, i can barely play him because everyone suddenly is a udyr main this last patch and he is being banned all over the place because of ONE build. All that changed was Runic echoes. The previous AP jungle item went completely un noticed. Throw in an almost identical aoe effect and a bit of movement speed to it and now its broken ?

Now, Runic Echoesitem 1402 does Buff his Shield W and Phoenix R by a good chunk, but my questions is:** Is Udyr being nerfed because of this one build, or because he is generally over performing on any of his builds?** Udyr has usually had 3 other standard Builds: Tank Udyr item 1409
Tiger Udyr item 1412 Devourer Udyr item 3930 This nerf to his W and R is going to greatly affect all 3 other builds. If the root problem as to why he is too strong is Runic Echoes item 1402 then why not nerf his AP ratios? Why the flat values? With the AP on RE he would still technically be a Nerf to that build, if they cut the values in half (especially since Udyr is not a champion who would otherwise build AP or other AP items), it would still be a hit to both his abilities in terms of values, without impacting his other builds.

My concern as an Udyr main is if he is being nerfed for one build, why hit all his builds? This will likely make the RE build even more optimal on him than it is now, and prior to the Runic Echoes build he really wasent nearly as popular or in the spotlight. I would like a Rioter to explain a bit more of the context of nerfing the Base values off his W and R and not the AP ratios instead. Especially considering he is a champion with his clear weaknesses (Very gold and level reliant, easily kitable, pure melee with no dashes, no game defining ultimate).

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øHaruø1 votes

I'm not an Udyr main. I played him every now and again since S4. While Udyr's a Jack of all trades and can turn games around if played right. I don't think he needs a nerf.

NA Darklarik1 votes

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I'm not an Udyr main. I played him every now and again since S4. While Udyr's a Jack of all trades and can turn games around if played right. I don't think he needs a nerf.

nono, he does need some kind of nerf, his Runic Echoes build is broken as hell. Im currently sporting a 88% win rate with him, exclusively using the Runic Build. It is broken. But i dont agree with nerfing his base values. I think hitting his AP ratios would make the same effect (nerf wise) without impacting his other builds.

Not to mention that, if you nerf all his builds, its going to push players even further into his Runic Echoes build as being the only optimal one.

Quepha1 votes

Riot is nerfing Runic Echoes because it seemed all the junglers building it were doing a little too well They're also slightly nerfing Phoenix stance and Turtle stance because Udyr was outperforming all the other runic echoes champs even before people were building runic echoes on him.

NA Darklarik1 votes

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Riot is nerfing Runic Echoes because it seemed all the junglers building it were doing a little too well They're also slightly nerfing Phoenix stance and Turtle stance because Udyr was outperforming all the other runic echoes champs even before people were building runic echoes on him.

Your missing my point, my question is is he being nerfed only because of Runic Echoes? He wasent out perfmoring anyone before Runic Echoes was released so if the problem is the item then the proper nerf should be to his AP ratios and not his Base values which would negatively impact his other builds as well.

It would be the same nerf, but targeted towards this one build.

Quepha1 votes

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Your missing my point, my question is is he being nerfed only because of Runic Echoes? He wasent out perfmoring anyone before Runic Echoes was released so if the problem is the item then the proper nerf should be to his AP ratios and not his Base values which would negatively impact his other builds as well.

It would be the same nerf, but targeted towards this one build.

He was doing pretty damn well before anyone was building Runic Echoes on him.

mogonk1 votes

roit doesnt have to nerf evrth broekn champion qbecause then there wouidlnt be any champions so the bear id okay by me and i hoppe he plays good

LordGeovanni1 votes

riot likes to create champions with flexibilty in thier play and kits then punish them for their flexibility. Kha Zix Jax Udyr pre 5attack / second kog maw Yorick

Lauchmelder1 votes

Personal opinion, so don't flame me:

Udyr is simply too strong. Building RE on him allowed for a lot of damage (I'm still not sure why RE has so high damage stats, Gragas' E + W can do 50% of a squishies HP early on if W is getting maxed). The main Problem I see in him is his insane MS and tankiness.

Personally I feel that a tank shouldn't be hypermobile, but Udyr has insane MS when full built (i heard up to 600ms somewhere). I just want a kitable tank, not one that you have to blow several CCs on and he can still outrun you.

NA Darklarik1 votes

Seems everyone is missing the point. Im not saying RE Udyr dosent need a nerf, im just disagreeing on the flat damage nerf. You could achive the same effect by nerfing the AP ratios, and not hurt his other builds which arent at all OP

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Personal opinion, so don't flame me:

Udyr is simply too strong. Building RE on him allowed for a lot of damage (I'm still not sure why RE has so high damage stats, Gragas' E + W can do 50% of a squishies HP early on if W is getting maxed). The main Problem I see in him is his insane MS and tankiness.

Personally I feel that a tank shouldn't be hypermobile, but Udyr has insane MS when full built (i heard up to 600ms somewhere). I just want a kitable tank, not one that you have to blow several CCs on and he can still outrun you.

He is a juggernaut, not a tank, and he lacks any kind of ranged CC like Nautilus and his Q R or Sejuani and her insane slows and R. He needs that MS.

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