It's like playing against nidalee but with less interaction.
People think assassins are op now. I can't wait for siege/poke comps to come back and for people to really see how dumb they were for wanting assassins to be nerfed.
Calling it now and I'll make another thread on how I was right.
junglerboy1613 votesThe issue with jayce is that he is basically an assassin who can also siege really hard. Three crits with hyper charge deals ludicrous damage (especially if he got a Muramana). I'm glad they have a big nerf to hyper charge lined up for next patch.
TheI3igDaddy9 votesI honestly think Jayce deserves a rework like Nidalee did. He needs to have reason to sit in his hammer form other than 'Oh, you're low from all my poke? Here let me hop over and smack you on the butt!'
I'd just want to see more build diversity other than 'let's go Muramana into full armor pen AD nuker every game' because I never see Jayce build anything else.
Chromatic Eagle4 votesTo be fair I think everyone needs more build diversity.
Sooko5 votes[{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2OFkgAAQ,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2015-01-12T21:16:38.397+0000)
To be fair I think everyone needs more build diversity.
Oh what is that?!
An Akali built 
!
A Ryze built 
I do not believe this, a Veigar is going for the riskiest item in history! 
Incredible, just incredible, both our ADCs chose to build 
Everyone has 
!
No way! A Fiddlesticks with 
#Variety
TheI3igDaddy2 votesThose are single, core items though. 1 item out of the 6 (5 really if we're excluding boots) for a champion's endgame build. Obviously Ryze wants mana, Akali wants the dumpster's worth of stats that Gunblade gives her. And Veigar wants DFG to drop a nuke on some unfortunate sod.
With Jayce, there's really only one build that he ever bothers to use; Muramana to solve his mana issues, and then goes straight AD and armor pen with BC, LW, and Bloodthirster. Anything else, and you're really gimping yourself.
This build emphasizes his cannon form so he's basically Xerath's AD counterpart. I really want there to be reason to build a bruiser / offtank version of Jayce that has him sitting in hammer form most of the time.
Ch0c0lateJesus1 votesWhy the hell would Ryze build ??
Kuroi868 votesDive comps (assassins) pretty much melt poke comps... Then you've push/counter dive comps that stomp dive comps. And poke comps that eat push/counter dive comps.
lDontLiftIcarry15 votestoo bad all tank items are gutted. RIP champs like shyvana/jax diving for your team because they're all gutted lol.
Kuroi863 votesEh, those two are bruisers at best. Tank itemization needs a little love, but it's hardly been gutted. It's going to take some solid arguments to get those changes though as Riot is more than a little scare of MetaGolem coming back, and with good reason.
lDontLiftIcarry3 votesno you could go triple tank item jax with trinity and have been just fine in s1/s2 before broken blade was released.
the only reasona jax builds blade is because the item is so broken as fuck its basically like "build it or get shit on by their blade late game"
Kuroi863 votesAnd here I thought it was because it synergizes sickeningly well with his kit. I mean, his passive grants a pretty massive AS bonus. Combine that with Borks AS and on his passive and you've got a pretty beefy combo.
lDontLiftIcarry1 votessynergizes? or is broken?
Gunblade synergized with his kit and got gutted for no reason other than because champions like vlad or akali built it as core because the active did like.. 300? magic damage on a 60 second cooldown. Or something.. its been a few years since gunblade was actually a good item.. forgive my memory.
ULTRAF0RCE2 votessaying as an alistar I was able to deal with an entire adc team on aram with just armor pretty much I would disagree with you
BlackRaven1 votestoo bad all tank items are gutted. RIP champs like shyvana/jax diving for your team because they're all gutted lol.
jax got buffed.
Feathermane1 votestoo bad all tank items are gutted. RIP champs like shyvana/jax diving for your team because they're all gutted lol.
1 person charging five people always was, is, and will be a dumb move that should never pay off.
DeusVult1 votesITS THE CIRRRRRRCLE OFFFFFF LIIiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE
Arcade Andrew3 votesplay taric support, get 110 armor at level 1 , never die GG
ExecutorDill1 votesplay taric support, get 110 armor at level 1 , never die GG
Hmm. Sounds interesting :P
Stonington2 votesI think the game's pretty balanced and both poke or assassins are viable options.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesthe word "pretty" is the key word here the game is pretty ballanced but assasins pushed loads of classes out
when assasins werent meta and siege mages were assasins still felt like a viable choice with its pros and conns now picking a mage feels like countering yourself by default and making your game harder
Stonington1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2OFkgAAQ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-01-12T16:35:16.844+0000)
the word "pretty" is the key word here the game is pretty ballanced but assasins pushed loads of classes out
when assasins werent meta and siege mages were assasins still felt like a viable choice with its pros and conns now picking a mage feels like countering yourself by default and making your game harder
Yeah, I think it's fine. I play Lux all the time specifically into assassins because I think she counters them.
This isn't late Season 3, assassins only have a small edge right now due to the mana changes and the fact assassins are mostly manaless. That, and LeBlanc doesn't usually -need- to build mana regen but can anyway with a morellos and hits a powerspike while also gaining good waveclear/manaregen.
In any event, this isn't like season 3 where you could get one pick and take two towers off of it because the mid game death timers were so long. Or just completely stomp your lane because of the way minions gave experience. Again, I feel all options are viable right now.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesI play Lux all the time specifically into assassins because I think she counters them.
yeah and i think im preety good at twitch despite him being utter crap since nerfs
dont take skill into account because you play lux "all the time"
also the mana regen nerfs
Stonington1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2OFkgAAQ,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-13T05:27:37.225+0000)
yeah and i think im preety good at twitch despite him being utter crap since nerfs
dont take skill into account because you play lux "all the time"
also the mana regen nerfs
Well, I actually feel that Lux counters them for everyone. I started doing it because I noticed Lux always beat Zed and other assassins in mid. So I tried it myself and it worked.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesseems she is an exception then (among the mages she rather excells at safety even if enemy uses gapclosers)
guys like ziggs xerath etc can indeed poke assasins down but it changes drasticaly after lvl6 where any attempt at poking might resulting in assasin going for all in on you just because they can
Stonington1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2OFkgAAQ,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-14T12:09:34.529+0000)
seems she is an exception then (among the mages she rather excells at safety even if enemy uses gapclosers)
guys like ziggs xerath etc can indeed poke assasins down but it changes drasticaly after lvl6 where any attempt at poking might resulting in assasin going for all in on you just because they can
That's what assassins do though. They all in and kill single targets very effectively. Lux is no exception to the rule. Although her burst damage is quicker and her escape mechanics probably a little better or more reliable than Ziggs/Xerath.
I think you've made a good point about poking down the enemy. Of course Xerath is the god of poke. Ziggs not so much. He can't reliable poke an assassin because he needs to stay out of their gap closer range. The thing is, you don't -need- to poke the enemy. There's a weird conception about laning phase where people believe you're required to attack the enemy. You're not. All you have to do is farm, not die, and keep tabs on where an assassin is.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesThat's what assassins do though
thats what they CURRENTLY do but thats not what they are supposed to do riot wants them to be opportunists who capitalize on short time windows and briing the hell upon you
right now they work as one champ remove
Chaotic Reks2 votes
SHALL ATTAIN HIS TRUE 
Aheadatime2 votesI'd welcome the seige comps. You can dodge their skillshots and split push on them. You can get dragon buffs or baron buff and negate their push. You can all-in with a heavy engage comp. With assassins, you either kill them or they kill you. There is no counterplay besides get fed early and out-damage them.
YOU BEEN WARNED2 votesActually most siege champs are good to play against. Idk wtf you talking about.
Meep Man2 votes
The rise of Mundo when Poke and Siege comes.
Hyrum Graff1 votesAnd now garen, too.
2pudge1cup2 votesJayce is satan.
I hate his stupid block face.
I hate his lame ass lore.
I hate the stuff he yells when he uses an ability.
Duobyte2 votesExpected Jayce hentai, was deeply dissapointed
Ungrateful Thug2 votesI don't like either of those metas. What now?!
doubleguac1 votesI don't love the assassin meta, but I kind of have to agree with OP. I do not want to go back to Xerath Lux or Ziggs FotM. At least you can try to fight back against most assassins. Xerath just spams poke on you from a lane away.
LairyRover1 votesI'm still waiting on Heimer's grenade to get turret damage back.
Unironic SJW1 voteswhat a shocker, jayce is cancer like every other champion with 8 abilities
a tanky ADC who can assassinate you, much balance
Kuroi861 votes...
You would actually build tank on Jayce...
That's terrible, you should feel horrible for ever saying something like that.
BattleBalladeer1 votesYeah I've met toplane Jayce more than once now and every time he fell horribly behind. Seems like he is far better in mid or maybe bottom lane. More poke and annoyance than endurance.
Gorbache1 votesIt's like playing against nidalee but with less interaction.
People think assassins are op now. I can't wait for siege/poke comps to come back and for people to really see how dumb they were for wanting assassins to be nerfed.
Calling it now and I'll make another thread on how I was right.
"Calling it"? They've been saying in every broadcast of the LCS preseason and the OGN that poke and siege comp are the strongest right now, you aren't calling anything :P
SpírìtsAway1 votesI agree, it's a pretty gross overexaggeration. Say what you want about ADC itemization but such is not the same for many other champions.
Altricad1 votesJayce was always OP. When i made this thread back in the old GD I got downvoted to oblivion. Him and 
are literally the 
of top lane. Shoving every bruiser out while also being champions that can deal tons of damage. R.I.P 
And late game, Jayce can even function as an assassin. +1 to OP for reminding me
manbearswine1 votesI think you underestimate how stupid assassins are.
Yes,jayce's poke is pretty fucking retarded,but le broken does the same thing just that instead of poking,she just deletes,oh and she's even more uncatchable.
If this moronic assassin meta ever goes away,I'd say good riddance,but riot will never let their favorite class fall out of favor.
