Make Sightstone recharge wards

PROJECT Katarìna··119 votes·2,870 views

on top of getting full wards when you back to shop also cause** one of the main reasons support dont get as much xp as others** is that they need to back in order to get more wards, just an interesting thought

edit 1: to make it not be abused by junglers and top laners you could have it use a charge effect when pair with an ally so you store charges based on how many creeps they last hit

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500000000000000010 votes

I agree with the proposed change, but I think you're underestimating the impact of this change.

This would mean that bot lane bushes can be warded at almost all times, and supports don't need to save their wards for taking objectives later. Roaming supports don't have to go back to base and lose map presence if they don't need to buy or heal. This would change a lot more than just support getting a bit more XP.

PROJECT Katarìna10 votes

Supports still need to back to buy more items or heal up if they are at low health the idea is to make sightstone recharge so the supports do not have to back earlier just to get more wards after they get sightstone

Also item 2055 anditem 3341 item 3364 exist get them as a jungler or a person who roams from mid or even top the support can also get this item to clear the wards (if you do not hit the ward while its disabled they cant see you)

SpecterVonBaren5 votes

If it were attached to Ruby Sighstone then the support would need to get 1600 gold before lanning phase ended to do that.

Steelflame2 votes

Lock it to only regen 1 ward every 2 minutes when it has 0 wards stored. Going back is more effecient, but you could potentially keep 1 ward up always, and a second 1/5th of the time.

Shadòw1 votes

I would make it to item 2045 only for that reason.

tseihei7 votes

supports fall behind in exp because they have to either A: Die to save their carries that make mistakes B: Ward places that take them out of range to receive minion/kill/assist exp

I don't really think this would help much with the exp issue.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

A:Who dies to save their adc kappa B:You can always ward when there is no minion wave at the given moment

10Tickler3 votes

A: Any support with Delayed peel, or Hard engage that can be used to peel

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

I do, because I'm a masochist.

FancyKiwi6 votes

I say put it on the Ruby Sightstone if they do add it then there would actually be a legitimate reason to upgrade it before your full build.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

thats a good idea i forget it exists unless im supporting

10Tickler5 votes

Hi, yeah, there's already a good reason: 10% cdr on Item Actives

FancyKiwi2 votes

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Hi, yeah, there's already a good reason: 10% cdr on Item Actives

800 gold for 10% item cool down is not worth it when you could put that gold into building something else.

10Tickler6 votes

800 gold for increased usage of: item 3107 item 3222 item 3190 item 3401 item 3092 item 3056 item 3800 ?

That's a damn bargain son

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

You'll notice he said "before your full build". You don't want to use gold on Ruby when you only have one item with an active. And wtf is item 3056 doing in your list?

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

If you already have item 3401 item 2049 item 3190 or item 3092 item 2049 item 3107 its already time to upgrade to item 2045

Luxs Destiny1 votes

eh. 800 gold for a Chain Vest or Kindlegem on a tank support (Leona, TK) would be a better investment than upgrading sightstone, especially if enemy jungler is inactive. redemption is already a decent cooldown, up for each fight and then some. fqc isn't built as often as it was in season five; it's more common for supports to grab the eye of the watchers over the sightstone upgrade, making it so that they're unable to get the item cdr from ruby ss anyways. FotM is built semi-often, with tank supports slowly creeping back into the meta. Locket isn't built near as often as Knight's Vow or Redemption are on those champions; or, at least, it's not built as the second large purchase near as often anymore.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

800 gold for a Chain Vest or Kindlegem on a tank support (Leona, TK) would be a better investment than upgrading sightstone, especially if enemy jungler is inactive.

If the enemy jungler isn't active bot lane then they aren't playing the current meta game.

And i think tank supports not getting locket/zzrot third is a huge mistake. FotM is quite strong and with that and sightstone you've built nothing but HP so you need the resistances and these two give both resistances.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

it gives you a lot more health more health though I tend to go straight for it since I feel like the extra 400 health is worth the 800 gold with the passive

Glory ln Death1 votes

20% item active cdr, actually.

Twitch Chat2 votes

If you upgrade your sightstone as your very last item you're really bad honestly.

AMYS GRAVE4 votes

They changed supports to be stat bound to mana regen because supports had to stay in the field longer without backing, but they are still limited and forced to frequently back for wards.

Oakleaf Ranger2 votes

Umm... no this would be a pretty horrible change since bot lane would be warded 24/7. Just give sight stone a slightly larger ward radius unlike the trinket ward like someone else suggest a while ago.

Worst Morgana1 votes

Make sight-stone give 2 gold per 10/seconds.

Ehlekar1 votes

If you did this, you'd end up with Junglers taking Sightstone more frequently, as some already can use Sightstone (e.g. Rek'Sai, Elise)

Worst Morgana1 votes

I see no problem with this. more wards = better vision across the map.

FantasySniper1 votes

It should store a charge every 180 seconds. Maybe scaling to 120 at the most.

Secretlolz1 votes

Not here to pop your baloon but... Looking at how devs have reduced vision available this last few months I don't think changes that improve vision will be ahead anytime soon. Still upvoting, but that's how I see it

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

I feel vision has improved back to normal since then

Twitch Chat1 votes

upgrade your sightstone.

abbbez1 votes

Feels like one of the things you think you want but doesn't actually want it.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

It pretty op tbh but can be balanced around with decent cooldowns/charge times not to mention item 2055 item 3341 item 3364 exist

abbbez1 votes

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It pretty op tbh but can be balanced around with decent cooldowns/charge times not to mention item 2055 item 3341 item 3364 exist

Cause clearing wards is such fun gameplay.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

It play a much more stronger role than you think having wards allows people to play more safely and position better which is why I get sweeper on almost every champ cause I need to bush wookie someone to win the game

abbbez1 votes

[{quoted}](name=PROJECT Katarìna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2BOigs3F,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-11T19:15:01.787+0000)

It play a much more stronger role than you think having wards allows people to play more safely and position better which is why I get sweeper on almost every champ cause I need to bush wookie someone to win the game

Yeah we know that, That was not what I was pointing out. I was pointing out that if you make it easier to ward and clear wards the overall fun of the game will decrease. Since warding more and dewarding more is not fun gameplay. It's easy as it is to ward and deward (maybe a bit to easy to deward) already.

Delphinium1 votes

It's really easy to abuse this change for high elo support and jg

Hinu Hyuga1 votes

I agree with this. Oh no I'm out of wards, so I can't keep river/dragon pit warded. That way me and my adc doesn't get ganked 1 million times by the enemy jungle. This way I can keep wards up, so we won't get ganked. Well as long as I don't forget about them.

DeusVult1 votes

Make it so that if a ward that your item 3341 item 2055 item 3364 revealed is destroyed that you get a charge back into your sightstone.

Twitch Chat3 votes

What would be the point of taking sweeper if sweeping a ward doesn't actually put a dent in their vision control? They just place the ward right back down and you're out a trinket cooldown. Guess you farmed sicknasty 30g xdddddd

CorruptedScythe1 votes

I think he means that if YOU sweep a ward, YOU get another charge. Like you're picking up their ward and putting it in your inventory. I think it's a pretty cool idea.

Twitch Chat1 votes

1-3 extra wards every minute is ridiculously broken. Also doesn't make much sense considering that sweeper isn't something that's exclusive to sightstone users.

CorruptedScythe1 votes

Broken. Sure... We're still talking about the same game where you could buy a ward upgrade and no one used it, right?

If you don't own a sightstone, it won't work that way. It's a support buff.

WinTheWarOnPants1 votes

interesting idea, but i think this would cause more problems than it will solve. If item 2045 "recharged" wards i think this would work a lot better since

  1. the 1600 gold investment would help keep it from being abused by non sups.
  2. it would give item 2045 a real niche over other ward upgrades and give the buyer more good options.

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