@CertainlyT Listen to this

rtbf215011488·Aug 8, 2015·6 votes·1,175 views

Ok. I have adjusted myself to the idea of Mordekaiser on the botlane, but I don't agree with him losing his solo lane potential!

Show me one champ except (Kalista with her ult) who has only 3 or less out of 4 abilities that that champ can use in a solo lane. No one. And Kalista was released as an ADC from the start. Mordekaiser was a solo laner in mid or top before his rework, and not an ADC. As someone else said it before me, if you want to experiment on an champion, just release a new champion and don't ruin an old one like Mordekaiser.

My idea: Change his W to be casted on minions too and decrease the heal on minion wave cast (maybe remove it for minion waves but that wouldn't be useful, but still better than his current state).

17 Comments

OperationDEEZ1Aug 8, 20154 votes

Soraka Also, he doesn't lose much without his W. It's magic damage with only AP scaling. The sustain doesn't seem that good to begin with, either.

rtbf215011488Aug 8, 20151 votes

Movespeed, A bit of damage to trade, Also 10-30 MR and Armor.

OperationDEEZ1Aug 8, 20151 votes

I don't think it gives resistances anymore. And you do have a point with the MS, it's good for disengaging after a trade.

rtbf215011488Aug 8, 20151 votes

Yes I think it doesn't anymore but before it added extra sustain to solo lane Mordekaiser.

Only Play DariusAug 8, 20151 votes

And that's part of the reason she's in such a bad spot.

OperationDEEZ1Aug 8, 20152 votes

Most people don't seem to know what the actual purpose of downvoting is. The purpose of downvoting is for people who don't contribute to the community dialogue or discussion. Not because you don't like it.

BeoridasAug 8, 20153 votes

Lets be honest here guys. Ive read the thread with certainly T. He was there to get feedback and help. Stattik and repertoir said they are brainstorming together to find solutions. But when Certainly T came in the forums...it was a maaassssiiiveee hate fest. People telling him out of nowhere to quit his job. That hes a *ock sucker, lots of insults--personal insults. As much as some wants to hate him: Thresh playerbase is huge; People love the champ, its a good champ. People love darius: we can even go to the thread, and its ironic how the people wants their beloved darius--CertainlyT champ--to then give the biggest F U ive seen given to someone un deserved or unprovoked on his morde thread and talk trash about his champs. Hes a freakin human being.

As much as people say yasuo is cancer: I think mechanics, interactions is always a good thing in league. Yasuo has several passive for instance. But it doesnt matter how many strenghts or weaknesses he has overall: as long as all the trade offs; counterplay; difficulty etcc are there its fine. There is many characters in the moba world who has tons of abilities. OVerloaded is just a word made up by ppl to always complain about a champ in the broadest way possible. (a bit like straw man arguments) Lets not forget the designers arent the one choosing the numbers for their stats.

I also think his champions are very very thematically sound and believable. Hes very good at making you feel and appreciate a champ and connected to its personality.

It doesnt mean Morde changes are good. But i can see some good reasonings for the abilities he gives him (thematics) But i would be angry too if he changed my olaf, kass, ryze to the point they are too different or just flat out suck. But he still deserve respect and appreciation for the good stuff hes done. He has talent. Perhaps if we werent just flat out immature and treating him like garbage--he would have talked and listened more.

But hats to you OP. I like your thread. just sucks that that C'T must be pretty fustrated to come back

rtbf215011488Aug 8, 20151 votes

Well, first Thanks for giving me such a long response. The problem I have with this rework (and CertainlyT or whoever was reponsable for it), is that they forcefully moved him from a position he was actually quite decent in, to the ADC role. That alone is a HUGE change. If I were at Riot, I would try such a huge change with a new champion instead of a existing one. Image if they reworked Yasuo into an ADC, but they don't change his abilities: Only he can only use his knockup if an ally is in range (I know that's very unreal but it is just an example). People would go crazy, even crazier than when they showed the Mordekaiser changes. Why? Because I think more people play Yasuo actively than Mordekaiser. I just have the feeling that they picked Mordekaiser for that because just a few people actively play him. I mean, That could have done such a thing to Darius, Garen or Skarner. Why Mordekaiser? Darius and Garen are still top laner, and Skarner is still a jungler, but Mordekaiser's role changed. To be honest, I'm fine with Mordekaiser's Q, E and Ultimate BUT why disable his W for a solo lane Mordekaiser? What's the point in destroying his solo lane potential? For what sake? For just trying out a new crazy idea with could ultimately lead to Mordekaiser neither being played as ADC nor as a solo laner.

BeoridasAug 8, 20152 votes

i dont think your reasoning is wrong. but i do believe its lacking a bigger picture. Look. I think we all deeply understand you. You like the way he is and what he is. hes your guy. I have kassadin deep within me and changing his thematics would be an absolute horror. However, lets think about few things here:

1--Its not really about why not someone else instead of me; thats a rather shortsighted answer with obv problems that would come with this if Riot would do that.

2--I have played morde a bit. Dont find him too interesting or awesome since he doesnt match my playstyle. But i think i would love to see him do what C'T would want him to eventually be able to do. Specially replace an ADC. tbh, im tired of adcs bot lane all the time.

3--I think if we were to just say that only new champs should be doing new roles, then it means that they would need to massively focus 4-5-6 next champs into that. That would not only be a very high risk with absolutely no proven rewards attached to it but it would stall the game for a very long time cause of nothing fresh in the lanes.

It doesnt mean however that they should do that to lots of other champs or that it should specifically be morde to do that more than any other. But C'T reasoning behind it isnt entirely wrong and made even some sense. Not saying it should happen and hes the chosen one. But the situation is far more complex than it seem.

rtbf215011488Aug 8, 20151 votes

I really Like how you respect my own point of view, that's not typical in a discussion, normally people just shout and insult each other.

So, yes maybe he is very good in the bot lane, we will have to wait and see, but a little change to his W for his solo lane wouldn't be that bad. It would help Mordekaiser in the solo lane, while not affecting ADC Mordekaiser.

ZephyrDrakeAug 8, 20151 votes

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i dont think your reasoning is wrong. but i do believe its lacking a bigger picture. Look. I think we all deeply understand you. You like the way he is and what he is. hes your guy. I have kassadin deep within me and changing his thematics would be an absolute horror. However, lets think about few things here:

1--Its not really about why not someone else instead of me; thats a rather shortsighted answer with obv problems that would come with this if Riot would do that.

2--I have played morde a bit. Dont find him too interesting or awesome since he doesnt match my playstyle. But i think i would love to see him do what C'T would want him to eventually be able to do. Specially replace an ADC. tbh, im tired of adcs bot lane all the time.

3--I think if we were to just say that only new champs should be doing new roles, then it means that they would need to massively focus 4-5-6 next champs into that. That would not only be a very high risk with absolutely no proven rewards attached to it but it would stall the game for a very long time cause of nothing fresh in the lanes.

It doesnt mean however that they should do that to lots of other champs or that it should specifically be morde to do that more than any other. But C'T reasoning behind it isnt entirely wrong and made even some sense. Not saying it should happen and hes the chosen one. But the situation is far more complex than it seem.

Here is the issue with all of that:

He isn't going to replace any ADC since he is melee, he has no cc whatsoever and is extremely reliant on your support. I will ask you one thing, if i was going to send a melee champion against the enemy ADC, why would i pick a cc-less immobile champion over let's say Xin, Renek? All morde can hope to do while in the bot lane is farm and pray that he doesn't get all-in or ganked. Once again he is melee, good luck taking towers unless your team is so far ahead that neither towers nor anyone from the enemy team matters.

His dragon curse passive thing is just a "win more" passive, it's stupid and badly designed. It's just there for the "wow" factor than anything else. His "he gains full exp even if you are sharing exp with someone" is just a "please use him in bot lane please!" passive

Then there's his W which can only be used on allies... that's just no, why this change? the only reason is because he just wants to shoehorn morde in a role he isn't meant to be played. It's like trying to fit a square block in a circle-shaped hole and then using an hammer when you figure out that's not going to work while being too stubborn to actually try something else

rtbf215011488Aug 8, 20151 votes

Here is the issue with all of that:

He isn't going to replace any ADC since he is melee, he has no cc whatsoever and is extremely reliant on your support. I will ask you one thing, if i was going to send a melee champion against the enemy ADC, why would i pick a cc-less immobile champion over let's say Xin, Renek? All morde can hope to do while in the bot lane is farm and pray that he doesn't get all-in or ganked. Once again he is melee, good luck taking towers unless your team is so far ahead that neither towers nor anyone from the enemy team matters.

His dragon curse passive thing is just a "win more" passive, it's stupid and badly designed. It's just there for the "wow" factor than anything else. His "he gains full exp even if you are sharing exp with someone" is just a "please use him in bot lane please!" passive

Then there's his W which can only be used on allies... that's just no, why this change? the only reason is because he just wants to shoehorn morde in a role he isn't meant to be played. It's like trying to fit a square block in a circle-shaped hole and then using an hammer when you figure out that's not going to work while being too stubborn to actually try something else

And those are exactly the reasons why I made this whole post in the first place.

BeoridasAug 8, 20151 votes

as of right now. Im not saying hes gonna be able to do that. if you want a melee replacing the adc role bot. he better have amazing tools doing what the ranged adc is doing by himself. or something to completely nullify the enemy adc. im not here to discuss the changes itself. im far from being experienced with morde, and im not sure i understand how C'T will succeed in his design. but it does seems there is a lot of false dillemas about it or straw man's. Im just discussing the concept itself and how the OP was seeing it as a whole. just wanted to share my thoughts nothing more.

SasogwaAug 8, 20152 votes

If you want to make him stronger botlane, just make the spell more rewarding when put on an ally. Don't completely remove it from a sololane. At least, allow Morde to cast it on only himself

rtbf215011488Aug 8, 20151 votes

That would be a good idea too. Everything is better than a usuable spell in a solo lane.

stuartk11Aug 8, 20152 votes

Mordekaiser has to be changed, as he has been seeing a rise in popularity, and the new AP item changes have made him stronger. He now snowballs very hard, and they want him updated in some meaningful way before they also update the defensive items and release their new items. I think that the execution of the update has been lackluster, and there is little incentive to play him over a traditional ADC, but I know that he needs updated. Also, a bit more communication about what is actually happening would be nice too, guys.

rtbf215011488Aug 8, 20151 votes

That's completely right, we haven't even got a reason why they changed him that way.