Zed, as an Assassin, has the LAZIEST & SAFEST burst damage in his kit

BeatzBoyFTW··11 votes·2,061 views

Ekko Q alone is a slow projectile at long range & has a predictable W which causes his opponent to be cautious of his surroundings. If he wants to do meaningful damage, he has to commit utilizing his full kit on his opponent by diving in with his E to proc the 3 stacks damage.

Leblanc Most of her burst damage requires her to jump into her opponents face after throwing her Q, or risking herself to stick near her opponents face with her E for a few seconds to successfully root her opponent.

Kassadin Does not have much damage burst pre-6, as his Q alone isn't that detrimental to fight against since it doesn't do that much damage early on. Obviously, the only way he can fully burst his opponent is, similar to LeBlanc, jump into his opponents face alongside his combo to do so.

Katarina Q alone, again, doesn't do impressive damage, and isn't something you can depend to spam it for poke damage. Only meaningful damage she can deal is jumping into her daggers for quick burst, and knowing the means to jump back to safety. A thing to note is that enemies will always be fully prepared for that burst since they can just group up around, but not inside, her daggers should she choose to jump in.

Fizz Literally everyone one of his skills requires him to be at melee range. His only escape is through the use of his E, and after that, he becomes fully vulnerable to incoming invades.

Now with Zed....?

Zed His basic Q ability actually hurts a lot compared to other Assassin's basic ability especially when being hit first. He has completely no risk in fully throwing out his full WEQ ability anytime & anywhere to deal damage since his shadow Q doesn't deal reduced damage anymore, as long as he doesn't brainlessly blink to his shadow into danger at pre-6. Almost most of the time, his WEQ combo alone is more than enough to seriously deal massive damage to squishy opponents when he reached either Duskblade or Ghostblade, making his ult simply an extra Ignite & escape rope out to danger. What's more is that the Electrocute rune makes his job simply easier to do it less than one combo in-lane.

The main difference between Zed & other assassins is that utilizing counterplay against other Assassins is rewarding & at the same time, doesn't force you into building alternative buildpath while sacrificing early game sustain items. Meanwhile, Zed's mentioned facts can be very frustrating to fight against at most times, where majority of the game forces his opponents to buy an early Zhonyas or Stopwatch, which can be a serious nuisance.

It doesn't matter whether or not he's being played in proplays or not. Similar to Yasuo before his popularity kicks in after the troubled ADC meta changes, he's not a very fun champion to fight against in almost all occassions, especially for Mage mains. Something needs to be done about Zed's early-mid game damage, such as putting more penalties into his Q like making it deal more reduced damage, or making his shadow deal 40% less damage. It's just not fun playing Mid lane at all if this nuisance is allowed to roam free, especially in PBE, Stopwatch rune activation is getting reverted to 10 minutes...

24 Comments

JackMcSnipeyz11 votes

Zed's one of the best designed assassins Riot has done, and that's comming from a marksmen main.

Yea, ekko has a slow Q but he also has a huge area denial zone, a dash every other second and his ult allows him to dive the most absurds situations and get out.

If lb wants to get in your range, she will, AND have the ability to go back if she misses, her chain is a bullshit hitbox and you cant break it without burning flash.

Etc etc.. Meanwhile Zed's shadow has a long CD, it's also pretty predictable, it's not hard to dodge at least 1 of his Q's, then you have like 10 seconds to poke him back. His ult offers good counterplay, espacially pre-duskblade zed, who actually needs to land his skills, unlike other assassins:

Oh talon ultied me? All i can do is hope has doesnt have enough damage to 1 shot me with his Q W Rengar ulted? Better have zhonyas ready or you're getting bursted.

Zed's problem is the same as every other assassin's problem right now - damage creep, they ALL do too much damage to the point where his kit doesnt really matter because he will just AA +ignite you once and you're almost dead.

GripaAviara1 votes

You are right, I don't know the downvotes. The fact the champion is overturned atm doesn't make his kit bad

saltran1 votes

Take my upvote fellow adc main.

Atmosphere3 votes

Zed's ult removes his counterplay lol. He has to land skillshots, yes, but his ult is point and click and places you directly next to your target, making your Q impossible to miss unless they flash. Even if they do flash, the Q moves fairly fast and you can still land at least one, more if you save your W.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

It doesn't, it places him behind you every time, making it very predictable where the Q will come from, if you time your dash right you can dodge it. Is it easier on zed's side? Of course, but is it impossible? No, hell no - it creates a little play of dashing in the right time.

I think you are confusing zed's ult with duskblade, and yea - when zed gets duskblade he's almost impossible to dodge because of the slow and damage , but that's not a fault on zed's design - but duskblade.

Zed genius4 votes

You do realise that every assassin you listed besides katarina who is just garbage and maybe fizz with his new W is way better than zed right?

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

Do any of these champions forces you to rush a Zhonyas regardless? At least they're assassins that you can get to play around a lot more comfortably than Zed.

Zed genius3 votes

They force you to buy Hexdrinker if you're ad, or just get the death every time they all in an AP, since there are no actual AP/MR items that are good. When you get zhonya's zed is useless(which he probably is with just an armguard), while the other champs can always kill a squishy cause there is no building against them. So yeah, have you ever played something immobile versus ekko?

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Like Veigar against an Ekko? I don't need Zhonyas or Hexdrinker for that.

Zed genius1 votes

? Of course you don't? Why would you rush armor (Zhonya's) or an AD item on veigar vs ekko?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Forgot Banshee exists in this game, still, don't need that either. He's one of the few assassins that allows me to comfortably build towards sustain items while being vulnerable to hard dives or ganks.

That answers your point?

Zed genius1 votes

Banshee is not even good to build early, that's why you comfortably build sustain, cause there is nothing else to build. This could go on for hours, all I have to say is that ekko,leblanc and kassadin(who is not really an assassin IMO) are miles better than zed right now, and before yall folks say anything, this doesn't mean zed needs buffs or those champs need nerfs

Hyquiem4 votes

IMO just make zed a duelist like in season 5..

Zed genius3 votes

Imo just revert the "rework" in the assassin update and replace lethality to arm pen once again

Netorare2 votes

No assassin require skill to play anymore thanks to their braindead burst, they should give zed cast time on his shadows. Assassins used to require skill to play before the assassin rework but now they are braindead and broken and that's it and of course the assassin playerbase will defend their broken shit if they cant one shot they will cry for more buffs etc...

Who Fed Ru2 votes

Already BS on the second sentence

He has completely no risk in fully throwing out his full WEQ ability anytime & anywhere to deal damage

Apart from that 22 second W CD, which is his only escape and real poke tool?

I don't even bother reading the rest cause it will be biased BS anyway..

SweedishGunner2 votes

You just forgetting about Talon?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

His damaging combo also requires him to be at someone's face. His W alone isn't that detrimental to fight against, easily baited, and one of the few AD assassins who has an actual resource bar, meaning he can't spam it willy-nilly like Zed.

Why is he such a big deal right now instead of before, I don't know why.

Iron V Skills1 votes

leblanc has a free blink back.It's not like she always waits for the chain. She just q dashes and blinks back for free.Only time she chains is after she poked you down enough to delete you next time.

Dodge the zed combo.It's not hard to tell when he does his combo as his shadow needs to come out first.

Finally after Zed uses his combo he has cooldowns.Thats the downside.Free poke or engage.You can hit him with your abilities while he sits there because he used everything.OR just bait his w.As a jungler I just get my mid to take zeds combo and he is vulnerable because he can't escape.And as ww I just fear into r and he won't do any damage from his r because he was perma cc'd.

GripaAviara1 votes

I always found Ekko lazier and less skillful to play than zed. Also more annoying.

The only thing that makes Zed more dreadful that Ekko is that I can buy item 3155

Summonah123691 votes

What about Nidalee? My javelin killed Miss Fortune hiding in a bush with no vision (in a dream, not a real match sadly).

TekkenPlayer1 votes

As much as I am all for anti-assassin circlejerk. Zed does not have the laziest burst combo as an assassin. In the midst of a chaotic teamfight he has to land abilities properly and keep a good track of when to take advantage of his shadows.

Talon Fizz have it way easier

Fizz's burst combo is literally r, w, e/q, q/e Talon is practically q, w, r, auto, ignite

wildfox991 votes

le blanc doesn't give you enough time for reacting Q W W and she already got half hp without any risk,not even point blank skillshots when she goes in can hit her,you literally have to predict her W or else she goes back without giviong you a chance to countertrade

Taloncan literally shove in an uninteractive lane with item 3077,and don't forget he can 100-0 someone from lvl 2

i'd rather have zed 100 times than a Katarina once trade someone that permablink around with an insane damage (+ a lot of spellvamp after item 3146),if played decently they can't physically click on you

Kassadin have a point click poke + magic shield + magic damage reduction (he doesn't even need to dodge,he can just facetank your damage),and post 6 he can blink around as he pleases play against him as any AP and you'll change your mind

Fizz have a lazier burst than Zed? this champion burst requies you to faceroll on your keyboard and you get an almost guaranteed kill if they didn't counterpick you

zed is pretty weak atm (item 3157 and item 3026 counter him so hard) and compared to many other assassins he's way more fair

Zelcor1 votes

Lol of all the assassins in the game Zed is probably the least problematic.

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