We nerfed Sejuani cause she deals too much dmg for a tank cc champion

LeviathanN7·Mar 26, 2015·5 votes·1,644 views

Meanwhile since the moment of her release builds full damage and gets rewarded with tankyness and has 2 heavy AOE cc...

Rito logic...

25 Comments

redniwediSMar 26, 20155 votes

Because having a shield makes you as tanky as an actual tank... right...

KrullyMar 26, 20153 votes

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Because having a shield makes you as tanky as an actual rank... right...

scaling ad shield is pretty fucking dumb.

redniwediSMar 26, 20154 votes

The scaling doesn't make her as tanky as a full on tank with 4k health and 300 in each resistance.

DropFillMar 26, 20152 votes

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The scaling doesn't make her as tanky as a full on tank with 4k health and 300 in each resistance.

how did you reach 4k of health and 300 of resistance?

redniwediSMar 26, 20151 votes

I play Garen, who has an easy boost for armor and MR, along with lots of health items. And that's on a bruiser who builds an offensive item and can't get the bonus 25% health from a jungle item. For a true tank it's easy.

SirsirMar 26, 20151 votes

And those tanks can't one-shot you with a combo either.

redniwediSMar 26, 20151 votes

That's because they are tanks, where as Riven is not. It's also why she is not tanky.

OperationDEEZ1Mar 26, 20152 votes

Well it's an AD scaling shield so good luck touching her actual health bar come late-game.

redniwediSMar 26, 20153 votes

Without resistances the shield can be as strong as you want, it's going to go down if you actually apply damage to her. There's a reason full AP Shen doesn't work even with his enormous shields.

Icy AuronMar 26, 20153 votes

^ This. I'm by no means defending Riven, but your anger is misguided, DEEZ. Comparing Riven to Sejuani is ridiculous. That's like comparing Yasuo to Rammus.

DropFillMar 26, 20152 votes

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Without resistances the shield can be as strong as you want, it's going to go down if you actually apply damage to her. There's a reason full AP Shen doesn't work even with his enormous shields.

Full ap shen doesn't work because his main source of damage has a shitty range, and he sucks with spellvamp. Riven builds lifesteal to make up for it. Also her shield is a dash, different from shen that is only a shield

redniwediSMar 26, 20151 votes

You almost got it right. Regular tank Shen can work with that same range, and even trades well early on. The problem isn't the range, the problem is if you don't build tanky that shield will not be enough to keep you alive, even if it adds a 500-1000 health shield to you every 5 seconds. If the shield actually did something to keep him alive then just like tank Shen the range wouldn't really be a problem.

Riven uses her CC and burst damage to stay alive, that shield honestly does very little.

TavishMar 26, 20155 votes

If you CC a tank, they still are a tank, when you CC a riven she explodes instantly. By this Riven is a tank logic, then every ADC is a tank once they have bloodthirster and Master Yi is the best tank in the game.

Edit: Have you ever CC'd a Sion? Congratulations, you still do no damage to him, now he just isn't moving. THAT'S a tank.

Icy AuronMar 26, 20154 votes

Riven? A tank? Riven? CC? This is a good post.

MarshallBanannaMar 26, 20151 votes

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Riven? A tank? Riven? CC? This is a good post.

She has not one, but two forms of hard CC.

she has an AOE knockup and an AOE stun.

Icy AuronMar 26, 20151 votes

She has a .75 second stun, that's nothing. Tenacity would barely even reduce that. The knockup is her only true form of CC. The problems with Riven are nothing related to the post. She's resourceless but has short CDs, and Wind Slash deals way too much damage. That's it. Riven isn't a tank with massive CC.

MarshallBanannaMar 26, 20151 votes

i know, she doesn't have neither the CC nor the tankyness to be a proper tank.

I was merely pointing out that she does in fact have CC, more than the average bruiser.

.75 second AOE is not nothing. At the very least it stops channels and AAs/spells with long animations.

Icy AuronMar 26, 20151 votes

Xin, Lee Sin, ww, Wu, and plenty of others have more than her.

.75 seconds at melee range is in fact, nothing. Anivia's Q has a 1 second stun, which is great, because it's at a long range.

SirsirMar 26, 20151 votes

She has massive CC for her damage potential. She is easily more disruptive than most tanks. And her shield with no cooldown/cost that scales off her AD she is actually quite tanky while being squishy

Icy AuronMar 26, 20152 votes

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She has massive CC for her damage potential. She is easily more disruptive than most tanks.

Uh, no. Not even close. I'm not even going to begin to describe how ridiculous that claim is. Her shield is annoying, yes, but nothing to make her a tank.

SirsirMar 26, 20151 votes

I'm not even going to begin to describe how ridiculous that claim is.

Cuz you can't, cuz its true.

Amumu Ult that prevents movement and autos, non mobility based spells can still go off. And a single target long range stun

Malphite A slow and his ult, basically a third riven Q with twice the duration and 6x the cooldown.

Rammus A single target taunt and a chargable knockup.

Braum A slow, an Ulti, and a passive that takes a lot of work.

Shen A taunt.

Maokai Single target snare, a knockup/slow.

DrMundo A slow. Almost a permaslow, but still just a slow.

Renekton A single target stun

Even assuming only 30% CDR Riven has a 1 second AoE knockup on a 9 second CD, and a .75 second AoE stun on a 5 second CD. On top of all the AoE damage she brings and a huge execute. Most tanks unload all their disruptiveness all at once, Rivens is continuous.

Icy AuronMar 26, 20152 votes

Maokai has four forms of (powerful) CC in three spells. Rammus has a knockup and a 2.25 second taunt. Malphite has a crippling slow, and a team-wide knockup. Amumu has both a single-target and team-wide stun. Alistar has an AoE knockup and a knockback. Blitz has a pull, a knockup, and a team-wide silence. Thresh has a long stun, a short knockup, and a crippling slow that could potentially hit five times. Galio has an AoE slow and a team-wide taunt. Riven has a single knockup on every third Q. Your claims are not only offensively inaccurate, but you've degraded into subjectivism.