Why have people forgotten that Tristana is good?

Tobias Brackner·Apr 27, 2017·2 votes·1,902 views

There is a Jinx in almost every game but Tristana is nowhere to be seen. Hell I think she should be considered over Kog'maw if your team doesn't have 2 dedicated peelers.

42 Comments

chipndip1Apr 27, 20177 votes

Riot thought it'd be a good idea to make Trist stronger in the mid game rather than the late game, so as to make her less generally toxic, but her whole kit is designed as if she's supposed to be doing her usual thing in the late game. Result? Her early game is "bleh", her mid game is "bleh" because she's not getting fed early, and she's not a hyper carry pick anymore so her late game is "bleh".

Tristana, one of my favorite champs, is a massive "bleh".

Tobias BracknerApr 27, 20171 votes

I don't see how that is. She seems to play the exact same as she always has just with some more tools for some flashy plays.

acehole76Apr 28, 20171 votes

no you're really dumb if you think that

Tobias BracknerApr 28, 20171 votes

Q when you get frisky

Rocket jump as finisher if you get the chance, otherwise save it to escape, same with ult.

And a spell to throw on the person you are shooting.

Yeah she's the same in my book.

acehole76Apr 28, 20171 votes

I was a trist main before they changed her and turned her into a pile of trash I know what she is now

BeatzBoyFTWApr 29, 20171 votes

Let me guess. AP Tristana main, where you point & click her old E and watch as your enemies bleed to death?

acehole76Apr 29, 20171 votes

i have played her ap but mostly it was ad bottom.

Tobias BracknerApr 29, 20171 votes

But you haven't provided any insight aside from "I don't like the new Tristana" and throwing insults.

What's the point of calling yourself a "main" if you can't even talk about the champ you "main"?

acehole76Apr 29, 20171 votes

she was my main till the changes i haven't played her in a long time.

Tobias BracknerApr 29, 20171 votes

So you have no insights into new Tristana aside from you don't like the changes.

Great.

acehole76Apr 29, 20171 votes

correct just she sucks since changed. her play rate tells you she is poop.

Tobias BracknerApr 29, 20171 votes

Your evidence is playrate.

You know that League players are bandwagon as fuck, right?

acehole76Apr 29, 20171 votes

supports maybe but if a carry is strong af they will be played a lot

Tobias BracknerApr 29, 20172 votes

Pretty sure any champion that gets played a lot in tourny will be played a lot at all ranks.

chipndip1Apr 28, 20172 votes

Primarily through number changes and changing how her jump resets worked.

Tobias BracknerApr 28, 20171 votes

That doesn't make sense though why she would fall in popularity. Like maybe up in diamond or some shit but people in Bronze/Silver aren't nearly good enough to notice small dmg tweaks.

jr deputy meowApr 29, 20171 votes

the number changes weren't "small" at all - the ability changes basically made the difference between her being able to cheese and not being able to cheese, while the rework's base attack speed/scaling nerfs made it impossible for her to hypercarry.

Tobias BracknerApr 29, 20171 votes

How is it impossible for her to hypercarry? She still has crazy range and a AS steriod along with being super safe.

jr deputy meowApr 29, 20171 votes

once the Q wears off, she has no DPS. She's safe and bursty and nothing else. she's not a HYPERcarry because she just doesn't have the scaling to accomplish it - she can take care of maybe two people if she's fed, and after that she's reliant on her team not being behind in order to win the teamfight. doing nothing but getting tristana fed and keeping her safe in a teamfight won't win you the fight (she doesn't have the DPS) and that's why she can't hypercarry. tristana is a good pick if your support is trash and you can't trust your team to peel for you - exactly the opposite situation from when you'd want to take a hypercarry.

what you don't realise is that this is different from the way tristana was before her rework. Pre-rework tristana would hit 6 items and the game would be over for the enemy team - with Q down, her dps would go from "mind-crushingly brutal" to "brutal". Right now, it goes from "pretty brutal" to "innocuous." when i say they gutted her attack speed, i mean they GUTTED it.

Tobias BracknerApr 30, 20171 votes

So she's more like a pick/skirmish champion then?

jr deputy meowApr 30, 20171 votes

would you stop downvoting my replies

Yeah, she's a great pick champ. a lot of the time her playstyle feels almost more like an assassin than anything, especially in the mid-game. if you catch someone out, she'll melt them in no time. After a certain point in the game or if your team is just not ahead, she's more like "i'm an adc - no matter what"

if i had to describe what tristana is good at, i'd say this: if the enemy team has a kha'zix and a diana, or a katarina, tristana will still be able to perform as a marksman despite their existence in the game. She's like an ADC-lite: she can dps and feel like a carry in short bursts while staying safe no matter how hard your peelers are thumbing their assholes. if your team doesn't have much cc or it's all being used to try to wombo or engage fights, Tristana is pretty OK. Still not as good as lucian, though. TBH

jr deputy meowApr 29, 20173 votes

tristana's attackspeed was gutted so hard that she feels lackluster lategame

the base damage of her abilities was gutted, so she feels lackluster early game unless you manage to do something really cheesy

she's good midgame now, but that's only if you manage to make it through her poor laning phase

i absolutely love the visual aspect of the tristana rework, but they've gutted her so much. they left her AP ratios but then nerfed them to the ground and changed her mechanics around until AP wasn't viable, they removed her hypercarry ability (you're better off with cait lategame hands-down, and she's better early-game too), ruined her early game cheese, and left her with this silly midgame bullshit

i could never say that tristana is "good" right now after playing her on and off since season 3

CØulrophobiaApr 28, 20172 votes

She is still ok. Good if you have a retarded support and team, but outclassed by other adcs.

Tobias BracknerApr 28, 20171 votes

I don't see how she's outclassed

ChemicalBusterApr 28, 20172 votes

She's fun to play when you place a bomb and it takes out so much health and then it resets your w... but your w doesn't make you untargetable. I think that needs to be added.

Tobias BracknerApr 29, 20171 votes

I can see the untargetable being a nice buff but I don't see why that would make her played less than Ezreal and Kog, or even Jinx, Vayne, and Lucian.

GankedByWindowsApr 28, 20172 votes

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There is a Jinx in almost every game

Of your last 5 solo queue games, Jinx is in a whopping 0. You have to go to game 6, where you're likely duoed with the jinx because she also played with you in the game before that.

Tobias BracknerApr 29, 20171 votes

Hey feel free to do a study of match history over the last few weeks of myself and several other players. I feel confident that Jinx is going to show up as one of the more popular champions. I could be wrong but you seem eager to do research so it makes no sense to half-ass it!

[slayer-jinx-wink]

GankedByWindowsApr 29, 20171 votes

I've looked over my friends and mine. You have to go back 15 games to find one in my match history and generally 10-12 in theirs. Certainly not enough to be called in every game and the pickrate for her doesn't support that either.

If you want someone that is in every game, look no further than lucian. He is in roughly 40% of games, and out of you last 5 at the time of writing, he was in 3.

Tobias BracknerApr 29, 20171 votes

Awesome! Then go ahead and mentally swap out "Jinx" for "Lucian" in my opening post ;)

B2OXXApr 27, 20171 votes

Because better champions have a similar kit and you have to do alot more on trist where you dont with others like reset positioning ect. No reason to pick her and in the meta shes not that good.

Tobias BracknerApr 27, 20171 votes

The only champ that has a really similar kit is Ezreal and Tristana is way better at teamfights and late game than Ezreal is.

I'm pretty sure she can push down towers way faster than he can too.

FiddlesOnTheRoofApr 27, 20171 votes

Trist isn't strong until 4 items, where other adc's are strong at 3. Longer power curve, in a snowball meta.

Tobias BracknerApr 27, 20171 votes

I don't know, she still has a lot of power in her base kit to do plenty of work with 1-2 items.

FiddlesOnTheRoofApr 27, 20172 votes

You could be right. I'm no expert. I used to play her quite a bit, but find that Jinx does what she does better. At least in my own experience. Maybe I'll give Trist another shot.

Tobias BracknerApr 27, 20171 votes

I find they have very different kits and power.

I think that Tris will be able to kill towers quicker than jinx due to the bomb and Tris is also way safer due to her rocket jump and ult. I feel this makes her more flexible for splitpushing

Jinx has good poke tools but also has a harder time going all in since she requires her skillshot to hit or someone else to set her up.