Is Yasuo OP?

Saint Smash·Sep 18, 2017·3 votes·2,568 views

I am a relatively new player and I recently gave a Xin Zhao a hard time with me being 3 kills 2 items and 100 CS a head of him. I called him "busted" the enemy Jhin didn't like this and said "yasuo is broken" but, I was strongly under the impression Yasuo was the second most nurfed character in LoL history, Only behind release syndra.(Isn't youtube great?)

While I don't feel like I am a particularly good player I feel like Yasuo requires more skill then a good part of the current champion certainly behind syndra and Oriana.

opinions welcome. =3 ^.^ <3

80 Comments

LauchmelderSep 18, 20177 votes

No offense, but why exactly are you asking for opinions when you're diaregarding all of those that don't match your own?

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

I am not Disregarding anything. Its not about fitting my agenda. If I find something objectively wrong with their personal experience I point it out. They don't seem to have anything new to say to be honest. Just Tornado, windwall, crit, Bubble. Which are all very easy to deal with.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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I am not Disregarding anything. Its not about fitting my agenda. If I find something objectively wrong with their personal experience I point it out. They don't seem to have anything new to say to be honest. Just Tornado, windwall, crit, Bubble. Which are all very easy to deal with.

If your agenda is 'I want people to agree with me that Yasuo is not OP and I want to ignore anything else that may disagree with me', then sure.

People don't have anything new to say because it's a topic that have been rehashed over and over and over and over and over again. Just like Yasuo's high pitched 'Hasaki' whenever he spams his Q.

Easy for you to deal with, perhaps. Majority of the players that aren't Yasuo worshippers don't want to or care to deal with it. If you have to spend 200% just to deal with something, whereas you spend 110% to deal with another, then there's a disconnect. And with Yasuo, many players spend more amounts of energy to deal with his toxic kit than with other champions' kit.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

Lol im not allowed to disagree with an opinion that is Biased and objectively wrong?

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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Lol im not allowed to disagree with an opinion that is Biased and objectively wrong?

Perhaps your own opinion is biased and objectively wrong. Ever thought about that? Maybe your ego is preventing you from actually looking at the counterpoints objectively.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

What ego? I am simply stating the facts. I said IN THE FIRST SENTENCE TO THE THREAD I AM STILL NEW TO THE GAME. I have also said somewhere down there "I am still new to the game and don't have much of a pull on opinions. Its redundant when people keep regurgitation the same 4 points where I have all ready explained how they were misguaded. If you feel like my points are misguided, that is fine but, Explain how my points are misguided. If you can't explain how my points are misguided then you shouldn't even be here.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20172 votes

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What ego? I am simply stating the facts. I said IN THE FIRST SENTENCE TO THE THREAD I AM STILL NEW TO THE GAME. I have also said somewhere down there "I am still new to the game and don't have much of a pull on opinions. Its redundant when people keep regurgitation the same 4 points where I have all ready explained how they were misguaded. If you feel like my points are misguided, that is fine but, Explain how my points are misguided. If you can't explain how my points are misguided then you shouldn't even be here.

Others are also stating facts as well.

As you are new to the game still, it would behoove you to actually read what is written.

People are explaining their points. You just refuse to understand it. Acting defensive and calling people biased and wrong doesn't help your case either.

LauchmelderSep 18, 20171 votes

You are misunderstanding this.

People complain about Yasuo because his kit is annoying to deal with, not because it's hard to deal with.

Yasuo, to me, is weak but has a kit that annoys me to the point where I hover the deinstall button.

I could pick his greatest counters and go 15/0/10 in lane and STILL feel that way.

BemaponSep 18, 20173 votes

Hes not OP, just most people (Myself included) hate having to deal with him. He has too much in his kit that just makes him a nuisance more than anything

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

thanks for your contribution but, we have been over the kit thing before. Hes not that hard to put down to be honest. Personally I am amazed no one has gone after the insane health regeneration. Its quite a bit I will admit but, honestly, hes one of the few mid lanes with fairly small gap closer when compared to other assassins like Akali and Zed. both of which do far more damage.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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thanks for your contribution but, we have been over the kit thing before. Hes not that hard to put down to be honest. Personally I am amazed no one has gone after the insane health regeneration. Its quite a bit I will admit but, honestly, hes one of the few mid lanes with fairly small gap closer when compared to other assassins like Akali and Zed. both of which do far more damage.

He's not hard to put down if the champion you are playing with has the tools for it. For those who do not, his kit has basically 0 counterplay to it and Yasuo can stomp the lane with ease.

The issue with Yasuo's kit is that it goes on extremes - Either he wrecks his opponent or he gets wrecked. There really is not much in between, which creates a frustrating experience for both players.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

I disagree honestly, your first point is a bit flawed, Any character is easy to put down if the other character has the tools for it and it is also true for those who don't its a night mare that is honestly a bit of a blanket statement and is not unique to Yasuo. Tons of characters are far worse then Yasuo Previous statement and all I am sure you know.

I don't feel like any of it is too extreme, His Q is on such a short cool don because his windwall is like 1/3rd the cool down of the vast majority of ultimates also, the only way Yasuo gets an ult. Its not hard to avoid the tornado because it moves slow, its telegraphed the animation is long, and he yells when ever he does the animation. Not much that is a blanket statement for just about every character in most situations. its rare two players constantly tie in lane with out outside help.

Honestly League seems to be a frustrating experience in general, I this is like the 8th time I have debunked these points and it keeps coming back with nothing new added to the debate.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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I disagree honestly, your first point is a bit flawed, Any character is easy to put down if the other character has the tools for it and it is also true for those who don't its a night mare that is honestly a bit of a blanket statement and is not unique to Yasuo. Tons of characters are far worse then Yasuo Previous statement and all I am sure you know.

I don't feel like any of it is too extreme, His Q is on such a short cool don because his windwall is like 1/3rd the cool down of the vast majority of ultimates also, the only way Yasuo gets an ult. Its not hard to avoid the tornado because it moves slow, its telegraphed the animation is long, and he yells when ever he does the animation. Not much that is a blanket statement for just about every character in most situations. its rare two players constantly tie in lane with out outside help.

Honestly League seems to be a frustrating experience in general, I this is like the 8th time I have debunked these points and it keeps coming back with nothing new added to the debate.

Why would it be flawed? There is not as much complaints for any champions (except maybe Lee or Riven) for lack of counterplay aside from Yasuo. Again, his kit is so extreme that he either stomps or becomes stomped by his opponent. His kit is inherently toxic as well, holding onto various hidden powers that most champions do not have. At least with other champions, the gap isn't as huge as if you were to fight against a Yasuo.

He's toted as a 'melee' champion, but has long ranged abilities attached to his kit. His kit should be purely melee or near close to it if that was the case. However, his Q3 makes even the most long ranged mage envious. No mana costs either!
He's resourceless, which is a huge plus against those who have mana. That is a hidden power that no Yasuo player likes to admit to. Miss a Q3? That's fine. You can just wait a few seconds to stack it again to throw it out. There is no consequence for the ability, so you can keep throwing it out, whereas many other ranged champions wastes their resources heavily if they miss it.
E->Q makes the tornado unblockable when you are on top of the enemy champion, leading up to a free R and then free 50% APen for the next 15sec. Oh yes, he is invincible to tower shots and has his shield refreshed just for funsies. But using the old age 'Just dodge the skillshot' doesn't really cut it, when it doesn't cost Yasuo anything outside of a little bit of time. Also, more than a 1/3 of the champion pool has a knockup in their kit, making it very easy for Yasuo to combo into it. Add onto the fact that it's lower than most ults that can miss, it's another perk for him.
His wall is probably the most annoying thing in league. Level 1 with 4 seconds of free projectile negation that you can panic mash and still block something? Where do I sign up to negate more than half the champion roster? It's a great zoning tool during teamfights and effectively locks out the enemy ADC if used somewhat right and with the other pros to it, it's another thing that makes it annoying to deal with.
Double passive. Having a free shield that doesn't cost anything is already huge. Can trade pokes pretty easily, as you can negate a bit of damage and just heal back up with a DBlade. Having a free crit passive on top of it is just the cherry on top of a F-U sundae to many other champions who have horrible passives (e.g. Cass). Stack it with a 50% APen after ult and you wreck anyone with just a few items. Many champions don't have that power spike that quickly either. At least not at the cost of falling off drastically later in the game.

For someone who is suppose to be a late game, he doesn't have a punishing enough laning phase to support his huge early power spike with just 2 items. Again, these are points that Yasuo players don't like to acknowledge either.

If you look at his winrate, it's sitting at around a 50%, which indicates that he is balanced, but it doesn't make his kit any less toxic to play against. I'm sure it goes the same for the Yasuo player who gets stomped on and can't do anything to come back into the game.

Perhaps looking at other threads about this would give you more enlightenment on the subject matter?

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

The game as a whole is inherently toxic. I am going to discard everything else about the first paragraph as its objectively wrong.

On your first bullet point Every melee champion has long range abilitys. That is a mute point. Good too know tryndameres spin is not a thing. Wonderful to know zed is full melee, Akali, What Q? You could argue dashes are the same thing as High range as well. Yasuo's tornado isn't even targeted and you're complaining about how hard it is to dodge. I dodge it for days because I recognize the animation, the sounds, and the slow speed.

2 you brought up resources. Again this is another mute point. All having mana means is "Don't spam your spells like a moron" And even that is a mute point because Morello numicon is almost every AP casters first buy, MAYBE BECAUSE THEY SPAM THEIR SPELLS LIKE A MORON.

3 plenty of characters don't even need armor pen, Akali eats everything for lunch reguarless of armor, health magic resist, critical strike, cool down reduction and Yasuo struggles against tanks Especially when you consider he doesn't have the armor or base health to be a brawler which is why hes mostly played like an assassin. Even in most cases the armor pen does nothing because Normally when yasuo ults, they were dead simply from the damage Yasuo does from ulting. Which is not that great Especially when you consider how easy he actually is to take down. Even if thats not the case, Yasuo struggles against all tanks. Garen, Mundo, maokai, Malphite,

4 No yasuo starts out with windwall. Nice try but, No. Also the wind wall is almost a20 second cool down or 1/3rd of the average ultimate cool down. Which is an insane time to punish him.

the shield is crappy, If he even gets nicked the shield goes away and it takes a quite a while to recharge its not even a spell shield. No one builds duskblade on yasuo. you need to be in a bush for duskblade to have its effect. free crit, we have been over this, yasuos damage over all is very low. Its crit that keeps him a float.

perhaps A few minutes of thinking about How easy it actually is to play against yasuo would enlighten you to the subject matter. I am starting to get tired of answering the same questions the same way.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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The game as a whole is inherently toxic. I am going to discard everything else about the first paragraph as its objectively wrong.

On your first bullet point Every melee champion has long range abilitys. That is a mute point. Good too know tryndameres spin is not a thing. Wonderful to know zed is full melee, Akali, What Q? You could argue dashes are the same thing as High range as well. Yasuo's tornado isn't even targeted and you're complaining about how hard it is to dodge. I dodge it for days because I recognize the animation, the sounds, and the slow speed.

2 you brought up resources. Again this is another mute point. All having mana means is "Don't spam your spells like a moron" And even that is a mute point because Morello numicon is almost every AP casters first buy, MAYBE BECAUSE THEY SPAM THEIR SPELLS LIKE A MORON.

3 plenty of characters don't even need armor pen, Akali eats everything for lunch reguarless of armor, health magic resist, critical strike, cool down reduction and Yasuo struggles against tanks Especially when you consider he doesn't have the armor or base health to be a brawler which is why hes mostly played like an assassin. Even in most cases the armor pen does nothing because Normally when yasuo ults, they were dead simply from the damage Yasuo does from ulting. Which is not that great Especially when you consider how easy he actually is to take down. Even if thats not the case, Yasuo struggles against all tanks. Garen, Mundo, maokai, Malphite,

4 No yasuo starts out with windwall. Nice try but, No. Also the wind wall is almost a20 second cool down or 1/3rd of the average ultimate cool down. Which is an insane time to punish him.

the shield is crappy, If he even gets nicked the shield goes away and it takes a quite a while to recharge its not even a spell shield. No one builds duskblade on yasuo. you need to be in a bush for duskblade to have its effect. free crit, we have been over this, yasuos damage over all is very low. Its crit that keeps him a float.

perhaps A few minutes of thinking about How easy it actually is to play against yasuo would enlighten you to the subject matter. I am starting to get tired of answering the same questions the same way.

At least Zed and Akali has energy bars that actually run out. Tryn is an issue and they are reworking him.
Having no mana means Yasuo gets to spam all day every day like a moron. Morello at least costs gold, something that Yasuo don't need to spend on in order to compensate for his resourceless.
Akali at least needs to hit level 6 to do something. Akali also doesn't have a free shield, wall that negates projectiles, and a free crit passive to deal her damage. If the APen doesn't do anything, remove it and then come back. Akali can't shred tanks as well as Yasuo can.
Level 3 booboo. Nice try trying to justify it's toxic nature. Easy to spam and easy to block projectiles as it comes out of him. Why would you use it unless you were either going on in as a Yasuo or panic blocking something on the defensive? 1/4 of his damage doesn't come from his wall, unlike a lot of other champions. You block something and you win as a Yasuo.
Shield is crappy? It blocks support shield amounts. And it's free. And resourceless. I will take a free support shield on any champion please.

Perhaps you should admit to yourself that Yasuo has a lot of pros to his kit and trying to defend it is a hopeless battle. You can be delusioned about it all you like, but the counterpoints are all there and the only thing Yasuo players continue to do is pretend his kit isn't an issue.

Either way, his kit is getting an overhaul by Riot whether you like it or not. Enjoy him while you can.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

Not really no. They literally get 60 energy every 2 seconds.

Akali spams all day like a moron,Zed does too. your argument is invalid. they are both worse because they have the masqurade of counter play.

Do does yasuo and zed..and annie..and ahri..and lux..pretty much every one in a nut shell.

we have been over that, still waiting for a rebuttle.

Its gone after a split second monkey.

Im not the one who is living in a broken fantasy. Boo who, MadCuzBad, get rekt and don't return.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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Not really no. They literally get 60 energy every 2 seconds.

Akali spams all day like a moron,Zed does too. your argument is invalid. they are both worse because they have the masqurade of counter play.

Do does yasuo and zed..and annie..and ahri..and lux..pretty much every one in a nut shell.

we have been over that, still waiting for a rebuttle.

Its gone after a split second monkey.

Im not the one who is living in a broken fantasy. Boo who, MadCuzBad, get rekt and don't return.

Still have to wait for the energy and if you misplay, you have to wait and that could leave you in a potentially compromising situation. They are also squishier than Yasuo, with less defensive capabilities.

As a new player, your ego is clearly showing. And it shows in your argument on how bad you play this game =)

Perhaps you should get rekt and don't return?

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

What ego? do you even know what an ego is? I never once stated I was better then any one else, what I said was "I don't feel like I am an inherently good player but I feel like Yasuo has a higher skill curve" WHat part of that is An ego, that is self defrication the exact opposite of an ego. You are factually wrong.

If you want we can hit the rift over this but, I suspect you won't do that because of how wrong you are.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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What ego? do you even know what an ego is? I never once stated I was better then any one else, what I said was "I don't feel like I am an inherently good player but I feel like Yasuo has a higher skill curve" WHat part of that is An ego, that is self defrication the exact opposite of an ego. You are factually wrong.

If you want we can hit the rift over this but, I suspect you won't do that because of how wrong you are.

Your ego is that you are a new player, yet you regurgitate statements made by others. That is ego right there because you are relying on others' statements as truth. Re-read what everyone wrote on this thread and learn from it.

Please send me your real life address instead, so we can hit it up in real life mano a mano. Just to show how wrong you are. But I suspect you wouldn't do that, because of how wrong you are.

BemaponSep 18, 20171 votes

I didn't say anything about how hard he is to put down. I said he is annoying to deal with. Also according to Riot hes supposed to be more of a skirmisher or something like that instead of an assassin, so comparing him to Zed and Akali doesn't really fit.

Is he OP? No.

My point was, even if you shut him down and are completely destroying him playing against him still feels like a chore to me. I personally don't enjoy it and I know many people that feel the same.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

I am going to be honest it sounds like you just want to win all day. How dare some one be skilled enough to become a chore to death with. Its like you're unaware of how insane most characters in the game actually are.

BemaponSep 18, 20172 votes

I feel like you are missing my points entirely.

HE IS NOT OP
Even if the player playing him is bad, it still can be pretty annoying to play against Yasuo.
The above two points are MY OPINIONS (You said opinions were welcome, but then basically tell me my opinions are wrong) And I know quite a few people who share that opinion.

To be honest myself, looking at some of your other comments it seems like I'm even partially agreeing with you on some stuff.

Its like you're unaware of how insane most characters in the game actually are.

I am well aware of how insane a lot of the characters in the game can be. I've played LoL since season 3. And for the FOURTH time, YASUO IS NOT OP

Serika ZeroSep 18, 20172 votes

probably the main reason for the yasuo hate is due to his absurd passive that gives him a huge amount of crit with ease. so, don't expect to play him to often if you join draft or ranked games as you will often get banned.

Yasuo is hated for: his crit passive his windwall his countless dashes and his persona/lore in general

Almost every player except yasuo players hate yasuo. That being said. I'm an Akali player. I think you personally hate people like me as well ;)

Conclusion: yasuo is not op but his scaling is broken and very annoying to face.

That being said. Yasuo is supposed to be a meh early game champion with hyper carry potential. But he can do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZDcA_NEkUk

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

All of that has all ready been debunked. thanks for commenting though. ^.^

Serika ZeroSep 18, 20173 votes

what has been debunked? that people hate yasuo for his dashes, windwall and crit passive? 0.0

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

His Q is A long range, Narrow, Extremely telegraphed, and sound queued Which makes it easy to avoid. His Dash is what makes him have a high skill cap. With out Yasuos crit he would be unplayable Yasuos passive bubble Is a mockery of every shield Except for early game malphite. His wind wall is almost a 20 second cool down which is an absolutely insane amount of time to punish him for using it at all.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20172 votes

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His Q is A long range, Narrow, Extremely telegraphed, and sound queued Which makes it easy to avoid. His Dash is what makes him have a high skill cap. With out Yasuos crit he would be unplayable Yasuos passive bubble Is a mockery of every shield Except for early game malphite. His wind wall is almost a 20 second cool down which is an absolutely insane amount of time to punish him for using it at all.

Many skillshots are long-ranged, extremely telegraphed, and sound queued. Yet they cost resources. They also have high cooldowns, unlike Yasuo's Q.

His E doesn't make him have a high cap. Player egos are the high skillcap, as they need to restrict themselves from diving in stupidly all the time. You can easily dash around with minions or the enemy champion as available.

Free shield is free shield. That is an extra plus. Makes Rakan's passive pathetic in comparison. Many squishies don't get that luxury.

Removing the crit makes him unplayable? Please. Better attach a crit passive to all ADCs then. You have a free 50% APen after ult, making him shred anything with ease already. The crit should be removed to actually delay his 2-item power spike. Something that other champions don't have. Many dueling champions don't get that luxury of a crit passive either.

His wall has a high cooldown. Other champions' ult has an even higher cooldown. Their abilities are also just as high. Meanwhile, after he blocks their abilities, he is wacking away at their lifebar while they try to run away helplessly.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

All having a resource is "hey, don't spam every last one of your abilitys" His tornado after it procs isn't instant which gives the other person time to get out, time to out play, time to gank. Time to do all sorts of stuff.

That is objective. Every one in LoL has a high ego apparently, Even self deprivation is having an ego at this point. Friend shield that gets popped upon being auto attacked, which most character have a range advantage on him any way, its not even a spell shield. As for yasuos E Its literally limitless possabilitys to out-play some one or to have some one out-play you. That is fair and balanced. Especially when most yasuos don't even know how to use the dash properly.

I stand by that untill you prove me wrong. Which, you can't because that is fact. Again, Yasuo can't even fight tanks. garen, No. Mundo, No, Maokai, No Even Psuedo tanks, and other brawlers heavily out class him, Gee, maybe that is why he has high crit. 2 item power spike? did you even read my post and that is wrong Most champions have a 2 item power spike. that is arguably the main issue with this game as a whole. For an ability that is not an ultimate, That is an insane punishment for using 1 ability that is VITAL to his kit.

"Whacking away at them" Do..do you know what consequences are? Do you? I don't think you do. All ether one of you has to do is step beyond the wind wall. Imagine that, Counter play to an ability that you claim has none.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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All having a resource is "hey, don't spam every last one of your abilitys" His tornado after it procs isn't instant which gives the other person time to get out, time to out play, time to gank. Time to do all sorts of stuff.

That is objective. Every one in LoL has a high ego apparently, Even self deprivation is having an ego at this point. Friend shield that gets popped upon being auto attacked, which most character have a range advantage on him any way, its not even a spell shield. As for yasuos E Its literally limitless possabilitys to out-play some one or to have some one out-play you. That is fair and balanced. Especially when most yasuos don't even know how to use the dash properly.

I stand by that untill you prove me wrong. Which, you can't because that is fact. Again, Yasuo can't even fight tanks. garen, No. Mundo, No, Maokai, No Even Psuedo tanks, and other brawlers heavily out class him, Gee, maybe that is why he has high crit. 2 item power spike? did you even read my post and that is wrong Most champions have a 2 item power spike. that is arguably the main issue with this game as a whole. For an ability that is not an ultimate, That is an insane punishment for using 1 ability that is VITAL to his kit.

"Whacking away at them" Do..do you know what consequences are? Do you? I don't think you do. All ether one of you has to do is step beyond the wind wall. Imagine that, Counter play to an ability that you claim has none.

Uh no. He can easily knock someone up with his Q and then follow up with a R and then E + W as necessary to continue the onslaught. Perhaps they should give Yasuo a resource so it should be even. For how powerful and strong it is, it deserves some cost outside of a low cooldown.

Yours is higher than normal, considering that you are a self-proclaimed NEW player who haven't even gotten their feet truly immersed in the game, yet continues to front as though you have been playing the game for years.

APen shreds tanks. Maybe at your skill level, you aren't playing very well, but he rips aparts tanks pretty easily when he hits his 2 item power spike. Look it up. If you can't even understand what the complaint about his 2 item power spike is, then you really are clueless and should do more research.

Do you know what the consequences are? Press W to block an ability and you just negated 1/4 of the enemy champion's power budget. Yours as Yasuo is still intact. While I have to step beyond the wall that lasts for 4 seconds, in the meantime, this Yasuo is chasing me and spamming his Q, dealing damage. Good luck for me to retaliate as a mage because you just panic blocked 1/4 of my power and I'm at a disadvantage. Yasuo has the opportunity to create fights. The enemy champion is forced to react and often times, doesn't have the tools to do so. Again, the W lasts for 4 seconds. It also blocks AA. When you are on top of the ADC and they are running back to escape the Wall, you are dealing damage and reducing their health bar. Once they are in AA range outside of the Wall, they are most likely dead at this point. Not exactly hard to understand.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

Debunked.

I said I would like to think I am a bit above the curve not that I was.

I am not a Self-proclaimed. I am, My account is level 22 and I play about 20 games then vanish for 6 months As well as spend a good part of my free time watching youtubers like sky williams, Pants are dragon, ghost to lane, Brickorchid, Gbay99, videogamedunkey, and even lillypichu and kaseytron as well as watch streamers like Lol_Geranimo, Nightblu3 as well as less known streamers. That is fabricated by your own opinion and I am level 20 after having this account for over 3 years. Its not impossible to think I picked up opinions from these well respected players and the things they say. Only you seem to assumed I have been playing the game for years. Sometimes I wonder what the internet is coming too.

Yasuo doesn't have the health or armor to "Shred tanks, He gets eaten alive by every tank in the game. Garen, Mundo, and Malphite. That is wrong sir. After I use my wind wall I am open for an over kill of punishment Also I prefer Ahri to Yasuo which is likely why I don't struggle to play against yasuo. I still don't think Morgana, Annie, Lux, Fizz, akali, Zed struggle against yasuo ether And hes primarily a mid/top character. yasuos Q is not that long range, Again that is an opinion you put in your head out of frustration. Yasuos tornado doesn't do that much damage. all champions can create fights that is invalid. The win wall doens't block Lazers or Melee attacks Only projectiles.If I am on top of the ADC then what is the support doing...Not their job clearly. And yasuos damage is not that high. XD

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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Debunked.

I said I would like to think I am a bit above the curve not that I was.

I am not a Self-proclaimed. I am, My account is level 22 and I play about 20 games then vanish for 6 months As well as spend a good part of my free time watching youtubers like sky williams, Pants are dragon, ghost to lane, Brickorchid, Gbay99, videogamedunkey, and even lillypichu and kaseytron as well as watch streamers like Lol_Geranimo, Nightblu3 as well as less known streamers. That is fabricated by your own opinion and I am level 20 after having this account for over 3 years. Its not impossible to think I picked up opinions from these well respected players and the things they say. Only you seem to assumed I have been playing the game for years. Sometimes I wonder what the internet is coming too.

Yasuo doesn't have the health or armor to "Shred tanks, He gets eaten alive by every tank in the game. Garen, Mundo, and Malphite. That is wrong sir. After I use my wind wall I am open for an over kill of punishment Also I prefer Ahri to Yasuo which is likely why I don't struggle to play against yasuo. I still don't think Morgana, Annie, Lux, Fizz, akali, Zed struggle against yasuo ether And hes primarily a mid/top character. yasuos Q is not that long range, Again that is an opinion you put in your head out of frustration. Yasuos tornado doesn't do that much damage. all champions can create fights that is invalid. The win wall doens't block Lazers or Melee attacks Only projectiles.If I am on top of the ADC then what is the support doing...Not their job clearly. And yasuos damage is not that high. XD

So why are you fronting as though you are an expert Yasuo player? Form your own opinion rather than regurgitate what other people say. If others tell you to jump off a bridge, would you? Keep in mind, no one in this thread is saying that Yasuo is OP that you keep thinking. His kit is simply annoying to deal with and has many toxic elements that makes him overloaded compared to many other champions.

With such a low game play rate, please tell us again why you are knowledged in the game again? Because you watch streamers? Play the game, gain the experience, and form your own thoughts.

50% armor pen shreds tanks. Tack that on with free crit. It's simple math.

You are using your W wrong if you get easily baited. Any half decent Yasuo player uses it reactively. Again, you play such little games, I am not expecting much from your Yasuo gameplay either.

If you are on top of the ADC, and do a Q->R->AA, the ADC would most likely be dead at that point, so the support ain't going to be doing nothing anyways. What is your team doing to distract the support? Your own ADC should be wrecking everyone else while you maul their ADC alive.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

The most common thing I hear is "No counter play" I am truly sorry it requires you think to yourself for a split second to come up with an answer. as well as the same 4 points over and over and over again. Face the facts, you're a casual player who has no ranked credentials and can't see past the normal experience. Most of my claims are back up by High tier players. such as pants are dragon. Who did a series on playing yasuo.

League of legends is a team game. Solo players don't do so well in a team game. As For a casual experience there is no team play whats so ever. Any character is easily beaten by a little bit of team work.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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The most common thing I hear is "No counter play" I am truly sorry it requires you think to yourself for a split second to come up with an answer. as well as the same 4 points over and over and over again. Face the facts, you're a casual player who has no ranked credentials and can't see past the normal experience. Most of my claims are back up by High tier players. such as pants are dragon. Who did a series on playing yasuo.

League of legends is a team game. Solo players don't do so well in a team game. As For a casual experience there is no team play whats so ever. Any character is easily beaten by a little bit of team work.

The fact that you are level 22 with maybe 100 normal games under your belt is funny and yet you want to bring up my own credentials? I may be a normal game player, but keep in mind, I have played over 1,000 games, with about 700 of them in normals. I also have an above 50% winrate on that mode too. The only reason that prevents me from playing ranked is due to my shoddy internet connection, as I disconnect at least once per game.

Your claims are regurgitation by players who may play under the game on a higher level, but makes small quips about it here and there. Do these players make a huge analysis like we do for Yasuo? No they do not. They make brief, often snarky, statements about champions on their playability. Keep in mind, I also watch said streamers that you listed yourself. Keep in mind, pros can be and are often wrong themselves.

Like I said, play the game and learn yourself.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

I am playing the game and learning for myself, As a matter of fact after hearing what they are saying I conclude they are right about what they are saying. My own unbiased Opinion based off my experiences.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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I am playing the game and learning for myself, As a matter of fact after hearing what they are saying I conclude they are right about what they are saying. My own unbiased Opinion based off my experiences.

You lack the game experience to be really immersed in the game. You need a minimum of 300 games to barely start understanding it.

The streamers themselves make mistakes as well, so I wouldn't put them on a pedestal. Pros often say dumb things.

As I said again, play the game longer and then form your own opinion.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

Same to you. bit of a hypocrite right, yea its human flaw we all suffer from it.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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Same to you. bit of a hypocrite right, yea its human flaw we all suffer from it.

The fact that you lack even the most basic gameplay knowledge automatically puts you at a huge disadvantage when it comes to counterarguing. You're level 22. You know nothing at all and claiming to do so is rather silly. You simply do what most paper-tier players do and spout opinions by popular streamers verbatim rather than actually think for yourself. As you admitted it as much, I'm not sure why you continue to hold onto that fragile ego of yours.

Come back when you actually expand past being a stereotypical OTP Yasuo player.

HammermancerSep 18, 20171 votes

I mean... if you're fighting a clean yasuo then he's either climbing or he sucks at something else in the game very much

there's always a weakness in every elo, even in master/challenger

everyone makes mistakes, catching those mistakes is how you win

yasuo is squishy and has situations in which he has very limited mobility, he is weak against item 3143 item 3075 and any bruiser can take their pick of either one of those (Or any tank can just get both)

against adcs yeah he's strong, but i doubt you'll see anyone complaining about someone being strong against adcs right now

cc also shreds a yasuo

movement speed also is invaluable against him, if he dashes to you and you have an escape you're fine, if he uses q and you're fast enough to get away then you're fine

adcs can go for things like item 3812 item 3046 item 3047 item 3123 but again like I said before mobility is strong against him, almost as strong as cc so you can also go for things like item 3044 based items

hell that's not even a bad build for tank heavy teams, grab yourself a item 3153 and you're actually quite an issue for tanks too

Serika ZeroSep 18, 20171 votes

i didn't mention his Q. But if you want to call it something, call it an extended auto attack. Yasuo's passive is one of the most bullshit things out there beside's Jhin's passive. You do realize that Yasuo is the only hero that gets away with building just 50% crit. Even trynda has to get 70%.

"Yasuo's windwall has 20s cd which is a lot" (26 to 18 seconds actually) . Lets see what it can block then, shall we? Akali Q - 8-4 seconds cooldown - no biggy, she can get it back up soon and she can fight Syndra E - 16 -12 second cooldown - she just used the second most crucial spell in her kit and you stopped it, now you got from 16 to 12 seconds time to kill her while she can't do shit to you

Ashe R - 100-80 seconds cooldown - she just used her ult and you blocked it, now she can't engage giving your team almost a free team fight win.

Yes, it might see to you like those 20 seconds are a small thing. But to champions, if you block a critical ability in their kit with the shield, you almost always 'win'. As then, what's left is your 0.1 seconds cooldown dashes and your 1-2 seconds cooldown Qs which you can use multiple times until the enemy gets its crucial thing off cooldown.

Which is why, you saying 'you have an insane amount of time to punish him' is by far an understatement. Generally, you will have as yasuo about 10 seconds of time to punish the enemy (or more) before an window opens for them to punish you. Meaning, you aren't a weakling from when the windwall appears, you are actually stronger in the first like 5 seconds after you windwall something important. And you got the mobility to capitalize on it.

Like seriously. I get that you fanboy over Yasuo. But he has his strong points and he has his weaknesses. But his kit in general makes people hate him. Both your team mates and the enemy team.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

Biased and wrong. Akali's Q might as well be resource-less as there is no negative to spamming it and she gets an insane damage bonus from just auto attacking them after using her Q on them. where as Yasuo has a small but effective time gap before he can use his tornado, which gives the other person time to back out, Time to counter play, Time to gank.

Symdras Q is a bit longer of a cool down But, she has the added advantage of Q>Eing into a stun, dropping another Q pressing R and one shotting about 80% of the entire roster.

Oh, you mean ashe actually has to be careful about how she uses her ult because sure, Lets just give her infinite ults at no mana cost and give her an extra 1,000 damage on it because, she so clearly shouldn't be so harshly punished for using THE STRONGEST ABILITY IN HER KIT. This is objectively wrong too though. If she waits for him to burn his windwall All she has to do is hit him, where his skill cap comes in.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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Biased and wrong. Akali's Q might as well be resource-less as there is no negative to spamming it and she gets an insane damage bonus from just auto attacking them after using her Q on them. where as Yasuo has a small but effective time gap before he can use his tornado, which gives the other person time to back out, Time to counter play, Time to gank.

Symdras Q is a bit longer of a cool down But, she has the added advantage of Q>Eing into a stun, dropping another Q pressing R and one shotting about 80% of the entire roster.

Oh, you mean ashe actually has to be careful about how she uses her ult because sure, Lets just give her infinite ults at no mana cost and give her an extra 1,000 damage on it because, she so clearly shouldn't be so harshly punished for using THE STRONGEST ABILITY IN HER KIT. This is objectively wrong too though. If she waits for him to burn his windwall All she has to do is hit him, where his skill cap comes in.

Lol. Biased and wrong.

Akali requires her to be in very close range to actually proc her Q. Yasuo's Q has a 475 - 900 range ability. She doesn't spike until level 6. Something that Yasuo doesn't need to wait for. Yasuo's Q downtime is so low that it isn't worth mentioning. Look up his cooldowns and then come back.

Syndra's Q -> E actually takes skill to land, considering you have to time it right. Plus, sidestep and you easily dodge it. Or press W.

Blocking an ult is fine. But it lasts on the field 4seconds, potentially blocking even more things, including AA. This creates an amazing zoning tool that locks out the ADC from battle.

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

Akalis "Close range" is not really a thing after level 6 as its a 12 second cool down and she has 3 dashes that have a high range. His Q cool down is a 2 second CD, I am aware yasuo is one of my most played characters and even has my highest win rate. It is also narrow and easy to avoid. There is this "New" "Crazy" mechanic, Its kind of brand new its called "Side-step" Hard concept but basically you click on ether side of you and you pretty much avoid it. there is video on youtube that explain this concept pretty well.

Lol no, it doesn't Q>E> free stun> Q> R "FINISH HIM" "Fatality"

Yea because A vastly dominant melee character Doesn't deserve to have the range to get close enough to a caster, the damage to kill a caster, the ability to shut a caster out. they should all just roll over and die. Yes the ADC thing is true but, to be honest ADC's are really not in the meta right not any way. Except for maybe twitch and tristana. Which easily get past the wind wall.

ZapMyHeartSep 18, 20171 votes

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Akalis "Close range" is not really a thing after level 6 as its a 12 second cool down and she has 3 dashes that have a high range. His Q cool down is a 2 second CD, I am aware yasuo is one of my most played characters and even has my highest win rate. It is also narrow and easy to avoid. There is this "New" "Crazy" mechanic, Its kind of brand new its called "Side-step" Hard concept but basically you click on ether side of you and you pretty much avoid it. there is video on youtube that explain this concept pretty well.

Lol no, it doesn't Q>E> free stun> Q> R "FINISH HIM" "Fatality"

Yea because A vastly dominant melee character Doesn't deserve to have the range to get close enough to a caster, the damage to kill a caster, the ability to shut a caster out. they should all just roll over and die. Yes the ADC thing is true but, to be honest ADC's are really not in the meta right not any way. Except for maybe twitch and tristana. Which easily get past the wind wall.

Still need to wait until level 6, which Yasuo doesn't. Also, Akali has cooldowns on her charges to continue to stick to her target. It's 30/22.5/15s by the way. Not the 12 seconds you arbitrarily pulled out of your ass. She also can run out of energy. Something that Yasuo don't need to worry about.

Dodge the skillshot is the lazy way to argue something and it isn't much of an argument at all. With 0 resources, Yasuo can continue to spam his skillshot until something hits. There is no punishment unlike a lot of casters with their mana.

ADC in 2017 meme is dead booboo. Stop watching NB3 to get your material. Also, with how crappy casters are at the moment, melees trumphs them pretty hard, so not even worth bringing up at the moment. Melees as a class are an issue to begin with. They are either useless or highly broken, with not much in between.

HammermancerSep 18, 20171 votes

As a jayce main I get a phage against a yasuo because he fucking hates movespeed

yasuo also seems to hate being 1shot be melee champs,

he also seems to really hate champs with loads of hp/armor

yasuo hates frozen mallet, yasuo hates iceborn gauntlet, yasuo hates mortal reminder, yasuo hates Randuins+thornmail

but yasuo especially hates frozen heart

Saint SmashSep 18, 20171 votes

This guy gets it. I would upvote you if I could. Only level 22 though.

Serika ZeroSep 18, 20171 votes

you can't windwall syndra's q......................................... she has to use Q to get a stun in a first place, which is NOT AN ADDED ADVANTAGE, ITS A FUCKING DISADVANTAGE.

its like me telling you, you got an advantage as yasuo that you need 2qs to charge your tornado..... no, that's a disadvantage that you have to charge it.

Akali's negative side on spaming her Q is:.................... not having it if she needs to pick up ranged cs. That's why Akali players don't just spam Q on you every time its off cooldown ;) Yasuo has a fucking 0.1 seconds cooldown on his dash. You basically play urf .......... Akali has internal 2 seconds cooldown between her dashes. You can literally dash 20 times as yasuo in that time frame.

And its not like Ashe or Syndra or so on has to be careful in particular. You can windwall all of these at once. Which is the bullshit in that ability ;) And you literally win team fights if you windwall ashe ult or syndra's E...... its that impactful .

ShahamutSep 18, 20174 votes

Yasuo is hated for: His crit passive His Shield Passive His Tornado His E/Q combo with knock up for "free trades" His windwall His mobility His ultimate interacting with any kind of displacement His ultimate not putting him under tower unless it has to Being Yasuo Winning Lane Losing lane Being a braindead champ (too EZ to play well) Not being able to carry Carrying too hard

There is more Im sure, but I Fixed your list :P

Serika ZeroSep 18, 20171 votes

i loled

ShahamutSep 18, 20171 votes

whats funny is I have seen at least 1 boards thread for each of those things :P

"Yasuo OP! EZ mode champ! Always destroys my team!"

"Yasuo winrate bad cuz low skill players can't play him!"

"Yasuo always feeds!"

So which one is it? Is he EZ/OP? or does he actually require skill? Memory bias is definitely a thing. That and a refusal to learn how to deal with him.

Serika ZeroSep 18, 20171 votes

He requires a very high amount of skill to play. But he is ANNOYING AS FUCK. So, people will call him op or ez out of share frustration they got by playing with him or against him.

he is like teemo 2.0 except harder to play and with more impact on the game (more than teemo in case it didn't make sense)