Evolved leap causes lane minions to be feared as well.
Just something to help his rather unhealthy early clear and maybe increase his potential mid and late game without really fucking with his main counterplay (allied champs, towers)
pripustas1 votesKhazix has a decent clear. It wouldn't be fair to give him a buff while others don't get that.
Best KhaZix Void1 votesKhazix has a decent clear. It wouldn't be fair to give him a buff while others don't get that.
his first clear is really bad unless you know exactly what you're doing, then it's only mediocre.
Paress1 votes[{quoted}](name=Best KhaZix Void,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1eo47LlN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-09-09T19:03:09.318+0000)
his first clear is really bad unless you know exactly what you're doing, then it's only mediocre.
Lot of champions have crap clearing in early game.
Best KhaZix Void1 votesLot of champions have crap clearing in early game.
kha's first clear is one of the worst, and he's only a midgame champ.
pripustas1 votesTry Wukong. I dare you.
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kha's first clear is one of the worst, and he's only a midgame champ.
I think Malzahar is the king of that. He gets executed without a leash
destiny fan2 voteskha's clear is horrendous, even if you do it right (witch is actually pretty hard to do) his first gank will always require full hp, since a level 3 vayne, cait, lucian can burst you down instantly fromm 75%
KHA NEEDS BUFFS
With all this juggernaut shit kha is weaker than ever, top lane is generally impossible to gank since Riven, darius, garen can fuck you up instantly and get a kill out of you REALLY EASY, it has gone so far as me not even using my E to enter fights as i need it to run away once my health has been lowered enough
Kha doesn't have that Devourer Monster lategame or that Lee sin - Jarvan early and can't even stand a chance against rengar ever in the game, my favourite bug is in the trashcan right now and that makes me extremely sad, i'm still waiting for any buffs to him and this would be really welcome, maybe now i can lvl3 gank more safely with more HP
pripustas1 votesWhat? You know that there are junglers who can barely do 3 camps at the start of the game, right? What ganks are you talking about? You can't even do 3 camps with Wukong unless you take W lvl2. Yep, he has to use his clone to tank 3 hits or he won't be able to do the 3rd camp. Don't get me started on his mana problems. Pantheon can barely do 4 camps, and has it even worse with mana. Give blue to mid and you can't gank and farm even at level 6.
destiny fan1 votesDon't even compare Wu and Panth with kha, both of them are gated by bad clears in the jungle thanks to their incredible Mid->Lategame value, meanwhile Kha can't even assasinate correctly unless feed
Wu has incredible teamfight value and can survive in a teamfight
Pantheon has an invaluable repositioning tool that lets him gank from half of the map away, plus high early game burst and a point and click hard CC skill
they're currently fine, pantheon may not be that favored in the current meta, mainly because of the Black cleaver changes (since it doesn't build from brutal anymore) but he's still userful thanks to that amazing ultimate and the turret shoot blocking
pripustas1 votesPantheon is actually very bad mid-late game. He does no damage even full AD. He has no utility.
destiny fan1 votesthe "pantheon has no damage late meme" he can still burst down adc's and his mid game is not bad, arround 25-30 minute he's still really strong, if he's feed games shouldn't go past that
"he has no utility" well i don't know what a point and click stun and a relocation tool is then, may want to back up those "facts" with some arguments there broheim
Baunjo1 votesIf you do not think pantheon has a strong clear you have to be drunk... And mana issues? That is to compensate for how good his clear is. Besides, pantheon does not need to farm. You do a camp, buff, camp, buff, and gank.
Best KhaZix Void1 votesWhat? You know that there are junglers who can barely do 3 camps at the start of the game, right? What ganks are you talking about? You can't even do 3 camps with Wukong unless you take W lvl2. Yep, he has to use his clone to tank 3 hits or he won't be able to do the 3rd camp. Don't get me started on his mana problems. Pantheon can barely do 4 camps, and has it even worse with mana. Give blue to mid and you can't gank and farm even at level 6.
Pantheon has targeted hard CC, he's one of the strongest duo roam champions in the game simply because it's extremely hard t oeven do anything against him with his targetted stun, pantheon can just pair up with someone and roam the map as a death squad, between his ultimate, his stun, and his damage. You're also not juggling your passive properly if you're not sustaining with pantheon, he can clear very well.
Wukong isn't bad either.
pripustas1 votesRly? A 1 second stun and you compare it to death sentence?
Best KhaZix Void1 votesRly? A 1 second stun and you compare it to death sentence?
Augment ELO1 votesDude, Pantheon's clear is insanely safe if you manage your passive well, I literally just farmed my entire Warrior enchant without backing once.
MLDzXnRRR1 votesHave you seen how Evelynn clears?
Best KhaZix Void1 votesHave you seen how Evelynn clears?
No, but evelynn is way more flexible build path wise than kha'zix as well as exerting way more map pressure just by existing.
WarlockLaw1 votesStop, if you want to buff kha, buff his w or ult and/or evolutions on his w/ult
Best KhaZix Void1 votesStop, if you want to buff kha, buff his w or ult and/or evolutions on his w/ult
Riot already pretty much decided fullsale they're against poke kha'zix ever making it back into meta, and they want to center him around his isolation mechanic and leave his W as a utility spell. these E changes are supposed to give him a both an easier time in the jungle and increase his potential late game as anti split by being able to separate minions from champions on his own. He's still countered by grouping, and it can still be avoided entirely with proper positioning.
WarlockLaw1 votesYou can buff kha's w without buffing its poke. You could increase the healing, give it bonus damage to monsters, or increase the slow. None of those buff poke'zix.
My problem with kha as is is that his w feels useless as anything other than a small slow. And his ult is basically only a stealth.
Best KhaZix Void1 votesYou can buff kha's w without buffing its poke. You could increase the healing, give it bonus damage to monsters, or increase the slow. None of those buff poke'zix.
My problem with kha as is is that his w feels useless as anything other than a small slow. And his ult is basically only a stealth.
I agree with you, (i think his ult deserves buffs over his W, as I think his W is fine right now) I just think this would be a neat way to increase his jungle health without really increasing anything else about his kit, and with the minion fear on his evolved leap he could counteract splitpushers a little better since they can no longer just hide in minion waves for the most part.
greenbird761 votesI kind of think the fear should result from isolated Q or nonisolated evolved Q. I mean the spell is called Taste Their Fear, it wouldn't make sense if the spell that had fear in the name was different from the one that is called leap.
Alternatively, you could make Unseen Threat or Void Spike apply a fear to minions and a debuff named 'Fear' to champions. This could function to decrease isolation range to say 350 on marked targets so you could actually interact with their 'Fear' with your Q. Making this apply on ult would give more reason to evolve ult to get more Fear stacks from passive. This would also make the trade off between evolving W and R more pronounced as you would choose between multiple fear stacks on a single target with ult or AoE fear stacks with W.
May not be a good idea to balance off of spell names, but I think it would be cool.
Best KhaZix Void1 votesI kind of think the fear should result from isolated Q or nonisolated evolved Q. I mean the spell is called Taste Their Fear, it wouldn't make sense if the spell that had fear in the name was different from the one that is called leap.
Alternatively, you could make Unseen Threat or Void Spike apply a fear to minions and a debuff named 'Fear' to champions. This could function to decrease isolation range to say 350 on marked targets so you could actually interact with their 'Fear' with your Q. Making this apply on ult would give more reason to evolve ult to get more Fear stacks from passive. This would also make the trade off between evolving W and R more pronounced as you would choose between multiple fear stacks on a single target with ult or AoE fear stacks with W.
May not be a good idea to balance off of spell names, but I think it would be cool.
Maybe we could just go off my suggestion of E fearing minions/monsters, and his Q heals him by a flat amount when he Q's them while feared. might make him TOO healthy in the jungle though.
Koldheartedjsp1 votesmonsters seems fine
would fearing lane minions help tho?
i feel like we'll just have more creep block problems
Best KhaZix Void1 votesmonsters seems fine
would fearing lane minions help tho?
i feel like we'll just have more creep block problems
If he does it correctly, the minions will run away from your target without having to clear them away. meaning you can start your combo with Q giving them less time to react.
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If he does it correctly, the minions will run away from your target without having to clear them away. meaning you can start your combo with Q giving them less time to react.
oh... are you asking for a small fear or a fear large enough to possibly get a guaranteed isolated q o.o? I think that'd be a little too powerful but then again i havent seen a khazix in eons so i can't really say
Best KhaZix Void1 votesoh... are you asking for a small fear or a fear large enough to possibly get a guaranteed isolated q o.o? I think that'd be a little too powerful but then again i havent seen a khazix in eons so i can't really say
it's really situational, but if he gets himself between the champion and their minion wave that means he can kill them before they make it back to the minions. it's not too impactful but it can mean some awesome plays.
Augment ELO1 votesKha'zix clear is not a problem if you are competent and know when to clear small creeps for isolation and when not to, and manage your mana well. His issue is similar to Viktor. Whenever Riot gives you a "choice" to augment your abilities they can never balance it right. Kha'zix and Viktor both have one viable upgrade path, and two crappy ones. Then they buff one and nerf the other, but they never achieve the "fantasy" of them being equally viable and varying depending on the game itself. They've gotten closer to the mark with Kha'zix but they still aren't there.
Kha'zix is a problem because the frontline is too tanky for him to get resets, and they nerfed his dueling, so he can't one shot priority targets the way Rengar can. Essentialy, against isolated targets he is slightly better than Rengar, and against non-isolated Rengar is superior in every way. It's more of a meta issue than a champ issue, but he needs some small qol buffs.
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Kha'zix clear is not a problem if you are competent and know when to clear small creeps for isolation and when not to, and manage your mana well. His issue is similar to Viktor. Whenever Riot gives you a "choice" to augment your abilities they can never balance it right. Kha'zix and Viktor both have one viable upgrade path, and two crappy ones. Then they buff one and nerf the other, but they never achieve the "fantasy" of them being equally viable and varying depending on the game itself. They've gotten closer to the mark with Kha'zix but they still aren't there.
Kha'zix is a problem because the frontline is too tanky for him to get resets, and they nerfed his dueling, so he can't one shot priority targets the way Rengar can. Essentialy, against isolated targets he is slightly better than Rengar, and against non-isolated Rengar is superior in every way. It's more of a meta issue than a champ issue, but he needs some small qol buffs.
I think it's very possible to balance both of them out equally, you just need to think outside the box. simply increasing or decreasing the numbers on each evolved ability doesn't work.
destiny fan1 votesi'd have to question this, based on personal experience, rengar is better even with isolation