Vi or Lee for Bronze Carry?

Purpl3Jungl3·Dec 13, 2016·1 votes·1,643 views

which of those 2 champions carry better in bronze?

28 Comments

MXXXXXLDec 13, 20162 votes

Play , even stephen king can't amount to the countless horror stories of Bronze LeeSin

zacktootallDec 13, 20161 votes

im offended

MXXXXXLDec 13, 20161 votes

Why?

I looked up your champion mastery and you have level 7, 96k mastery points on Vi.

zacktootallDec 13, 20161 votes

cuz bronze and i've got that lvl 7 mastery on her

VolcanuzDec 13, 20161 votes

Why be offended by him saying Vi is better for bronze?

zacktootallDec 13, 20161 votes

cuz ist bronze comon that should have been easy to figure out

Purpl3Jungl3Dec 13, 20161 votes

I think u missunderstood the post. I don't mean which champion is easier for me to carry with. I meant which champion defeats other bronzies easier. I can adapt to both champs the same no matter the skill cap required

MXXXXXLDec 13, 20161 votes

Even then i'd still say play Vi lol, her ultimate is really good for just saying "nope" to the enemy ADC.

Purpl3Jungl3Dec 13, 20161 votes

Here's the thing though;

In bronze, people die a lot... Like I'm not saying I do it but an average ally tends to die before minions even spawn in half of my games, whereas in higher elos, it may be mid game till first blood is drawn.

Which is why I feel Lee would be a better choice for my elo. VI is late, if she sits around farming, chances are by the time she stops farmin and starts going in for ganks, the enemy team would be too fed for her. Wherea lee has super strong ganks early, meaning he can ruin the enemy's early. and If there's one thing I've learned from my elo, it's that when a team falls behind they stay behind. Chances are they'll keep feeding, continue to not farm and ignore objectives.

So idkkkkkk it's such a 50/50 for me. Both champions are good and stuff but im scared to play vi because i know for a fact by the time vi actually reaches the stage in the game where she's considered good, the enemy team would be multiple kills ahead of her

FioraWillCarryDec 13, 20162 votes

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even stephen king can't amount to the countless horror stories of Bronze

Total misconception. While a Bronze Lee is nothing compared to a Diamond 1 Lee. Bronze Lee players can carry in Bronze games and they do it all the time.

In this recent B4 match, I got a Lee that carried going 15-8.

Brain Errör 404Dec 13, 20161 votes

I bet he looked like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sYdF3IpjnA

He just got a few kills off.

FioraWillCarryDec 13, 20161 votes

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I bet he looked like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sYdF3IpjnA

He just got a few kills off.

I can never understand where this idea came from that Bronze players shouldn't play champions like Lee Sin. The first 30 seconds of that video and I can already tell you that the Lee Sin in my game wasn't that terrible. You don't just pick up 15 kills. You have to know what you're doing on that champion.

A Bronze player's mechanics isn't that different from a Diamond player. I mained Azir for much of Season 6, most of which I spent in lower Bronze. Pull up any video of Azir montages of all those sick plays high elo Azir player were doing and I have done it. Every single trick I could do just as good as any Diamond player. Any Drift/flash/ult plays or any combination thereof, comes as easy to me as walking.

So the question then becomes, why am I not high elo ? Why is this Lee Sin in Bronze ?

Ever had a high elo smurf in one of your games that got super fed and carried almost 1v5 ? I've seen it a couple times. In every case, they had this god-like sense to know exactly where to be and when to be there in order to have the most impact. And they do this very consistently. They will always catch people out and it's impossible to catch them out. The reason they can do this is not mechanics, it's understanding. Any asshole can to a ward-hop-flash-ult with Lee Sin with enough practice but only truly good players could make every single move they make reap a team advantage. High elo players unlike low elo players waste far less time. Almost every move they make gets something profitable. Low elo players like me don't have this yet. No amount of flashy Azir trickery can get me to Diamond.

Brain Errör 404Dec 13, 20161 votes

It's not to say that every Bronze player looks like this... It's just hard core facts that over 90% of Bronze players lack any good mechanically output. Just because 10% of the people down there have mechanics, doesn't really make them all that good. Because, to be 100% honest with you, you can climb straight to Gold through Sheer mechanics alone. You don't need some over the top game knowledge to climb from bronze. You sit down in one lane, shove to nexus tower and 1v1 or 1v3 or 1v5 anyone who comes your way.

Games are literally that easy.

Purpl3Jungl3Dec 13, 20161 votes

Lack of skill is balanced out with lack of counter play

Yes, a bronze player has less skill than those in diamond, but he's not playing against diamonds, that's the thing. He's playing against others his skill level.

Brain Errör 404Dec 13, 20161 votes

That's a fair assessment and that's fair enough. I spend a buttload of time playing this game as I have nothing much to do and have free reign. So it'd be presumptions to ask why some people struggle so hard when they simply just don't put in the time and expect to get far (not to say they don't want to, most people simply can't).

Tel SaroDec 13, 20161 votes

Sooooo much this.

I'm currently in bronze 5 after 6/10 in placements. Mechanically I'm not terrible and probably have the mechanics of a low to mid hold player. Most players I see in bronze aren't mechanically bad either.

The issue I see most often is lack of situational awareness, lack of build knowledge, time wasting, ect. These are the issues that keep people in low ELO.

Mechanics really is the easiest part of this game. It's all the other macro play that people don't understand, such as estimating jungled patching, or mid roams. Once you understand these thing, it's much easier to catch people out or prevent yourself from being caught.

In fact, I think that the kill seeking atmosphere of bronze leads people to focus more on mechanical play and less on macro play.

Touch My BoxDec 13, 20162 votes

Even bad lee sins are overpowered. Click to target nuke that CCs says it all. they could delete his Q/W/E and he would still beat any non tank in a 1v1

MedúsaDec 13, 20161 votes

both are fine, lee has more counter jg potential which shuts down their jg plus his op early ganks, but lee is also arguably the hardest mechanical champ in the game, no matter how much i play him i still mess up, vi can be tanky or deal dmg, same as lee, but vi also has guarantee cc to lock down the enemy where lee has room for mechanical error, my vote goes with Vi, due to the lock on ult and she is also arguably best jg in the game right now, if you are ahead go warrior into tri, if you fall behind consider going tank, always focus the hard carries in team fights but if you go dmg you are a carry as well so dont kill yourself for their adc, gl hope this helps, PS: if you are willing to invest time into lee he does pay off, but for super simple carries, try Vi / rammus / amumu, all 3 of them are easy bronze carries

MedúsaDec 13, 20161 votes

one more thing to add, consider trying wukong, he is a broken hyper carry when you get good with him, and the easiest way to carry is with a fail safe champ with an op ult, its the reason amumu and brand will always be the highest win rates in low elo

PhantomGGDec 13, 20161 votes

Vi, more reliable, easier to master, doesn't fall off.

MLDzXnRRRDec 13, 20161 votes

Lee can stomp harder in bronze. Just try to invade and then make their jungler ragequit. Then camp bot and get fed. If you have Yasuo, Riven, Trynda or other carry champ on your team, you can gank for him, because they snowball super fast in bronze.

Brain Errör 404Dec 13, 20161 votes

Yi.

WoonStruckDec 13, 20161 votes

I'm telling you, Vi's better at super low MMR for bronze vs bronze.

Flash->Q is extremely potent, as is the strong burst/dps that Vi offers via trinity force. In addition you can ignore CC/escapes by delaying her R.

Enemy team is tanky? Well, Vi W shreds armor and HP. She's much more reliable than lee.

datfatguyDec 13, 20161 votes

Vi is better. A good Lee Sin in Bronze is just a little bit too rare. I tell you this based on experience. There is a 0.01% chance you will find a good Lee Sin in Bronze, especially when you're in Oceania (like me, fml).

RequiemsfireDec 13, 20161 votes

Lee sin's probably better if you're good because players won't be able to coordinate to stop you from dominating in the early game.

Dank MemesterDec 13, 20161 votes

Personally vi because she can stick on carries a lot easier late game. I'm a plat lee main who knows a ton about late game lee and he's probably one of the harder champions to position in the late game. Your goal should be to either peel for knock the enemy mid or adc down and you'll do this a lot easier as vi.

Porsche 911Jan 4, 20171 votes

Master Lee and you can carry your team, I tried playing Lee in ranked but you know you need a duo or a good team that understands the concept off Lee and help you out when you go for the kicks, VI is better over all but it's up to you, invest time on Lee and carry or face roll with VI bahahahaha