People in promos should be matched together.

Purpl3Jungl3·Jan 2, 2017·158 votes·4,070 views

Tired of being matched with people who dont care if they lose a few ranked games. That's why People in their promos should be matched with other people in their promos.

Edit: As one commenter said, you should have an option between playing with others in their promos too or being Matched normally (For people like me who are willing to wait a long time.) Yesterday I was playing a game where our 0LP mid laner kept feeding to end quicker because "they were getting laid tonight and they needed to get ready). Luckily I wasn't in my promos but things happen.

69 Comments

SlythionJan 2, 201737 votes

this would only be reasonably applicable for plat and below, maybe only gold and below

diamond+ already has bad queue times, to put such a requirement on matchmaking would drive queue times wayyy to high

DarkRitualJan 2, 20172 votes

Even low ELO would have higher queue times, that or MMR variance would need to be greatly increased, which would reduce matchmaking quality.

drakuIa421Jan 2, 201716 votes

dude i'd rather wait 5 more minutes than be matched with people that dont care if they lose

DarkRitualJan 2, 20174 votes

What about 10? 20? 30? I agree 5 min would be fine, but I don't beleive that the wait time wouldn't be significantly longer.

Would 5 min still be fine if the enemy had a player a full tier higher than your whole team? Two full tiers? What about 2 players of a significantly higher rank?

There needs to be some give and take to make such a system function reasonably. If we want it to give us something, we need to accept trading something else in.

drakuIa421Jan 2, 20172 votes

but the thing is, you can make this a low elo feature because queue times there are already short so it wouldnt hurt as much (and besides, it wont be every game, just for promos)

5050BSJan 2, 20171 votes

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Even low ELO would have higher queue times, that or MMR variance would need to be greatly increased, which would reduce matchmaking quality.

"which would reduce matchmaking quality."

Dude MMQ is shit right now.

SlythionJan 2, 20174 votes

even when it's shit, it can still be worse

Ap Mid BurstJan 2, 201711 votes

No autofill+only promos= 50 min que times

drakuIa421Jan 2, 20171 votes

but there IS autofill right now, and its going to stay...

DarkSunSovereignJan 2, 20174 votes

IIRC u can't get autofilled in promos.

GhostOfShrimpmasJan 2, 20173 votes

But your teammates can, and an autofilled adc or support is basically an auto lose anyway.

MonkeyMadnessJan 2, 20173 votes

I agree with autofilled adc being bad, especially in this meta, but if you can't play support, then please uninstall the game...

AirKingNeoJan 3, 20171 votes

but if you can't play janna or soraka, then please uninstall the game...

Fixed it

MonkeyMadnessJan 3, 20173 votes

No, I disagree. Janna has a lot of nuance that requires skill/practice. But srsly, leona is the easiest shit. So is naut. Hell, play fucking panth support, it's a dynamite kill lane.

5000000000000000Jan 3, 20171 votes

Every champion requires some champion specific skills and practice. Even then Janna and Soraka are easier to pick up.

MonkeyMadnessJan 3, 20172 votes

Janna is in no way, shape, or form an easy champ. Raka is, I agree, but janna has a great deal of nuanced mechanics. Raka does not. Janna has a wind-up that has to be accounted for, as well as an ultimate that requires near perfect position and timing to maximize its value/not royally fuck up your own team.

5000000000000000Jan 3, 20171 votes

Isn't that more of a skill cap issue than skill floor? It will take a lot of practice to use Janna optimally, yes. I'm not disputing that. But I'm saying it doesn't take much practice to play her decently. Like for Azir it'll take like 10 games to play him decently, but for Janna like 1 or 2.

MonkeyMadnessJan 3, 20171 votes

Oh, sure, she's not as hard as Azir or Yasuo or shit like that, but as far as supports go, she's one of the more difficult ones.

HolyAryanJan 2, 20175 votes

You don't get autofilled when in promos so if everyone in one game were in their promos, it means that nobody got autofilled

5000000000000000Jan 2, 20174 votes

XD how long would it take to get two support mains, both of who are in their promos?

Mr Bruce SwainJan 3, 20174 votes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh6nSkyCAAEBXEX.jpg

þaby ghostJan 3, 20171 votes

we both jump

Ap Mid BurstJan 2, 20172 votes

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but there IS autofill right now, and its going to stay...

Theres no autofill in promos

XinCrinJan 2, 20179 votes

But one problem to consider may be the que times.

AlegitstalkerJan 2, 20171 votes

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But one problem to consider may be the que times.

I wouldn't honestly mind having queue times 10 minutes long 3 times lel, as long as that meant I got paired with people who understood that we need to gtfo out of promos lel.

BambooWorldJan 4, 20171 votes

what about 30min to 1 hr?

ValyrianBladeJan 2, 20176 votes

As much as I like this, I don't think it would even work in the most populated regions, let alone all of them. Even if it only happened in bronze/silver.

At a minimum, autofill protection during your promos would need to be removed. It's quite unlikely that someone at the same MMR would be playing promos as every role (i.e. as support) without autofill. Too few players in higher elo and too few supports in bronze. Queue times would be absurd.

Ranked needs to be a place where everyone plays to win no matter what. Scrap the additional season rewards - add a reward that's based on your win rate with adjustments downwards if you have losses at significantly lower elo than where you are at the end.

notice me Sin piJan 2, 20171 votes

win rate will always end up at 50% if given enough sample size, cuz ur mmr will go up as win rate goes up and system will match u with higher mmr players in an attempt to settle ur win rate at 50%

ValyrianBladeJan 2, 20171 votes

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win rate will always end up at 50% if given enough sample size, cuz ur mmr will go up as win rate goes up and system will match u with higher mmr players in an attempt to settle ur win rate at 50%

I'm not sure what this has to do with what I said. Maybe you're referring to the whole "Ranked needs to be a place where everyone plays to win no matter what"? You're misunderstanding then - there's a huge difference between playing to win and actually winning. Yes, 50% will lose every game, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be trying their best to win. They should be playing on their best champions, trying to get their best roles, and playing the best they can, every game in ranked.

notice me Sin piJan 2, 20171 votes

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add a reward that's based on your win rate with adjustments downwards if you have losses at significantly lower elo than where you are at the end.

now u know what it has to do with what u said

Purpl3Jungl3Jan 3, 20171 votes

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As much as I like this, I don't think it would even work in the most populated regions, let alone all of them. Even if it only happened in bronze/silver.

At a minimum, autofill protection during your promos would need to be removed. It's quite unlikely that someone at the same MMR would be playing promos as every role (i.e. as support) without autofill. Too few players in higher elo and too few supports in bronze. Queue times would be absurd.

Ranked needs to be a place where everyone plays to win no matter what. Scrap the additional season rewards - add a reward that's based on your win rate with adjustments downwards if you have losses at significantly lower elo than where you are at the end.

How about Bronze? Is it fair when someone in their promos gets matched with someone in B5 0LP?

þaby ghostJan 3, 20171 votes

LISTEN I am B5 with 0LP and I was s5 before the resets, so I take slight offense. I cannot defend the claim being realistic, who wants to play with a bronzy with no LP, however, there are a few of us who are not trash just after being cucked by resets gave up on ranked. My point is not to be totally hopeless, plus bronze 1 bronze 5 there is maybe a 5% skill margin.

crab chipsJan 2, 20174 votes

I would prefer waiting 20 mins for a team which all want to win and get promoted, than waiting <2mins for a team who gets an afk, and an autofill trolling.

ZephyrDrakeJan 2, 20172 votes

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I would prefer waiting 20 mins for a team which all want to win and get promoted, than waiting <2mins for a team who gets an afk, and an autofill trolling.

and yet you would still get people who just don't give a damn. Being in promos does not make people magically care. Specially at lower elos where you get a free win whenever you try again

DeathBot666Jan 2, 20173 votes

It sounds good in theory, but I feel you would never finish a promo trying to do this. The odds of finding 10 people on the game in the exact same time, with a relatively close ELO who are all in promos, and since auto fill is blocked during promos 2 of these people would HAVE to willingly choose support...

It would take forever to find a game.

Sorakas PantheonJan 2, 20171 votes

Unless a person is actually a support main then they would just instantly find a game

MonkeyMadnessJan 2, 20171 votes

gl trying to find 4 other players at your skill level that all want to play the correct roles to fill out a team and also happen to be in promo series. Also, in order for the game to be fair, the entire enemy team must also be in promo. Welcome to hour+ queue times, even at low elo.

Sorakas PantheonJan 8, 20171 votes

Dude, that literally is what teambuilder was hour+ long queue times which is why it got shut down because no one wanted to play it mostly one trick pony's played it.

5050BSJan 2, 20173 votes

HELL YES

I HATE the Match Making Riot has.

I will get matched with better people when my LP is 75+ and then I get to the next tier and Ill have 0-15 LP and be grouped with some of the worst players ever. Ill lose 2-4 matches in a row (not because I feed or anything but because my team does) and I have a good chance to drop rank.

If Im in S3 EVERYONE on my team and the enemy team should be the same. If the system cant make that match then my team should get a S4 or a S2 and so should the enemy team. That is the MOST difference there should be.

Iv had games where my team was 300 MMR over or under the enemy team. Guess what happens? Its not even a match. We ether stomp or get stomped.

Complete WASTE OF TIME.

MonkeyMadnessJan 2, 20172 votes

Yes, this is precisely what the system is designed to do. When you are on a win streak (say, after winning a promo series) the game tries to match you with players that are on the decline (and thus possibly tilting). When you are on a losing streak (say, after being demoted) the game tries to give you teammates that are on the rise to offset your potential tiltedness. It's Riot's way of making sure you actually deserve the ranks you are getting, and to prevent people from attaining higher ranks due to dumb luck. I don't really like this system either, but I'll deal with it if it means morons stay out of my way. Problem is, with how dramatically inflated mmr is right now due to DQ last season, this system kinda fucks with solo players.

þaby ghostJan 3, 20171 votes

Yeah... I was wondering why I was always the one S5 with a bunch of B3-B1 in my rankeds at the end of last season...

MonkeyMadnessJan 3, 20171 votes

??? This is completely normal.

You can't be expected to match with players exclusively from your current division. Also, because matchmaking is based on mmr (not your actual rank), it's not only possible but very feasible and even probable to be matched with player 1, 2, or even 3 division above/below you.

ulie loveJan 2, 20172 votes

This seems like a great solution to low elo trolling

ShadòwJan 2, 20172 votes

for 50 Minute queue?

no ty

Weasel KenseiJan 2, 20172 votes

Im just tired of being matched with idiots that dont care at all...

Hyrum GraffJan 2, 20171 votes

Enjoy your long queue times I guess?

Sorakas PantheonJan 2, 20171 votes

Meh i mained Teambuilder once so i don't mind

Hyrum GraffJan 6, 20171 votes

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Meh i mained Teambuilder once so i don't mind

I did, too. Now I play normals draft mostly. That said, I do play a lot of fill/supp.

Sorakas PantheonJan 8, 20171 votes

By chance did you ever check out draft Dominion? when Dominion was still a thing that people did not really care about till they announced they where shutting it down.