Can junglers get Gold and Experience when they give Buffs to their allies?

SlashXel··3 votes·635 views

Otherwise junglers get behind by doing so

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NLGG3R BEATER2 votes

Don't give buffs to allies then.

Warwick Main1 votes

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Don't give buffs to allies then.

This. Only way I am giving up my xp/gold to a laner is if they're putting in at least 2x the amount of work I am.

NLGG3R BEATER1 votes

Ye if there's a 10-0 mid lane Anivia on my team or if I have an ADC that's doing super well AND I'm doing super bad (since you know, I need red buff as well) then I'd consider giving them buffs but otherwise I'm not interested in falling behind on purpose.

NervusTrigeminus1 votes

I wouldnt consider giving buffs to others unless they are snowballing or until late game but Ofc junglers can still get gold and not fall behind. Counter jungle! Every time I see the enemy jungler I immidietly run in his jungle and get a camp or two IF I know I wont die ward I prefer to split push the living fcuk out of my game as well. I'm currently in gold. Ppl just love to fight even if behind, ppl rarely care about the macro play. So I always assume my team is a bunch of brain dead monkeys unless some of them prove me wrong during the game. Always check the map as soon as you see an empty lane split push like there is no tomorrow. Around 15min - 18min you should have some free lanes to push. You'll notice by doing this you'll have the most gold,on average I end with ~8 per min farm. A bruiser champ is ideal for this + Titanic Hydra and Deadmans Plate

Titanium701 votes

I wouldnt consider giving buffs to others unless they are snowballing

Except that "Nothing can come from Nothing - Something has always to come from Something"!

AKA - You want your Mid-Lane to snowball out of an even position. Doesnt sound really reliable for me.

On the other hand you could grant your mid a lead by handing the Buff over so they can snowball from a lead.

NervusTrigeminus1 votes

Yeah ofc but champ knowledge > jungle buff. You will give your laner a slight advantage but power spikes and scaling play a bigger part in your laners chance to get a kill, I think. I dont think jungle buffs will be the reason why your laner will be able to snowball. Its low elo solo Q. I've had too many ppl that are just play their champ for the first time. In my elo (G5) from an even position approx 6/10 times my mid-laner will die due to overextending after I give blue. So its a safer bet for me to keep the gold and exp for myself. If you are confident in your laners abilities you can give the buff, its completely your call. When I play the only player I trust is me so I'll take as much as I can for myself. I'm playing farming junglers mostly Shyvanna. I'm more generous if I play something like Zac.

For me its all about taking objectives Dragon@ lv4, Herald ~12min if its safe enough. I'm a farming machine if I'm giving buff to a laner it takes a lot of time considering you personally wont get anything out of it, depending on the situation alternative would be:

  1. 1,5 camps or
  2. chunk~45% Dragons hp
  3. take enemy's camp + place an agressive ward

I usually finish my Bloodrazor + 1stBoots @ 9min when I play like a selfish prick. I know my item power spikes and I try to hit them as fast as I can.

TheDrakeBlood1 votes

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Except that "Nothing can come from Nothing - Something has always to come from Something"!

AKA - You want your Mid-Lane to snowball out of an even position. Doesnt sound really reliable for me.

On the other hand you could grant your mid a lead by handing the Buff over so they can snowball from a lead.

What I see a lot is people not understanding how vital that first buff is to the jungler. When that important kickstart to their farming is missing, It sets them behind. Whenever I'm jungleing, all I ask is that you are able to hold Relatively even. If you are heavily in the deficit, and I give you the buff, I have then Given you, Gold, Experience, and Cooldown and mana/Damage and health that I could have used, and if you are far behind, unless you can stay super safe in the backline, (and even then) Its a risky investment. Whenever I'm jungling, (Especially since I tend to play later game champions) All I'm asking is that you can keep even-ish in lane until an OPPERTUNITY arises where I can help you, Hoping that at that point I am where I should be roughly farm wise

Titanium701 votes

Nah... the current system is a clear tradeoff. And those are good and healthy.

Why? Because tradeoffs like this reward smart players and punish bad ones.

AKA: If the Lee thinks it's fine to take the 2nd and 3rd Blue while he has a mana dependent Mid and the opponent has the blue he should be punished for that and the opponent should be rewarded for that.

Granting Gold would take away this tradeoff for a majority of the JGLs out there and would punish Mana-hungry JGL even more since they're not only deny the lane advantage from their mid but also deny Teamgold and EXP which is bad!

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