Give Sejuani Some Love

Revive Aatrox··2 votes·749 views

So Sejuani is supose to be a jungler, cause she just get wrecks in every other lanes, but yet she has a bad clear, super bad sustain ( even khazix got better sustain ) Her ult got nerf so much that a bard stun can just nulify her whole engage ( cause bard stun last longer then her 1.25/1.50/1.75 ) .

Her slow which is potent dont last long enough ( maybe you lower the slow percentage and augment the duration. Has to touch an enemie for her W to activate or else it takes 5 seconds to start(supose to be able to reactivate it but doesnt work).

Her base damage are super low. her scalings are super bad, ( Q base damage is fine, scaling is not .4 ap, her W base damage deals less then a sunfire cape. with a .15 ap ratio. her E base damage is 180 plus .5 ap. ) .

Compare her to a Maokai her engage is on a 11 second cooldown at max ranks compare to 9 second for maokai. her knock up which is also her engage is on a 11 second cooldown compare to a 6 second flat cooldown at all ranks. on his W maokai get max health damage that gets way better base damage (Magic Damage: 9 / 10 / 11 / 12 / 13% (+ 3% per 100 AP) of target's maximum health ) compare to (4 / 4.5 / 5 / 5.5 / 6% (+ 3% per 100 AP) of the target's maximum health) for Sejuani. Her passive is super weak 25 armor at level 16 is nothing for a tank. compare that to 7 % max health for Maokai.

Lets compare her to Gragas his passive is to help him sustain in jungle

Gragas heals for 4% maximum health upon using an ability. 8 second cool down. ( which help him achieve a gank level 3 ) Compare to 10 armor at first level doesnt help the clear or make her able to gank level 3 with decent amount of health his body slams is on a 9 second cool down when it hits. like moakai engage is max health is at a flat 8% which is better then sej

In anyway i could compare her alot more the point is. She need some love

Here'S what i suggest

Change her passive so it gives' her something meaningfull so she can gank level 3 like other junglers.

Make her Q on a 9 second cooldown like the other tanks engage

Make her W enemy max health damage on par with gragas and maokai.

Make her E last longer and lower the pontency of it augment the base damage of it. Drop the max range it can be cast from and give range indicator like twitch get on his E )

Make her R a ground targeted ability instead of a linear skill shot , or make it like anivia'S Q so you can reactivate it. drop the radius of the stun give her a 2 second stun at max rank. Augment the Base damage so it matches Gragas ultimate.

Just tweak her a bit so she get seen some more. She's a great utility tank that feel left behind when compare to others.

15 Comments

The Deckowner2 votes

Remember season 5 when cinderhulk was strongest? Rito sejuanied sejuani, they don't like her, and they wont buff her.

after the cinderhulk nerf everyone had been asking for sejuani, sion and nautilus debuff reverts.

RogueWill1 votes

Her passive is actually rather strong early to mid game which allows her to start by stacking HP (which she scales from) and wait a tad more for her armor stacking. Also her passive is the whole reason she doesn't need much sustain in the JG.

She also has one of the best clears withing the tanks, she clearly can't compete with farmer junglers or bruisers junglers clears but among tanks she probably has the best clears times out there. Sejuani will come out of the jungle a solid 30 sec earlier than gragas and the health difference woulnd't be much difference.

Xilbur1 votes

Also, her ult is a fight changer with the cc and can be paired up with e (I think?). Her q is a great fight starter. She honestly doesn't really need a change as her weakness is by beating her early to mid (her passive and strength of the ages really stack up to late). She doesn't have much ganking power as her q has a pretty short range unlike someone like gragas (you can also e flash) and zac.

Revive Aatrox2 votes

so his Gragas ult or Amumu ult. Plus the ganking power is bad cause her Slow is range but you need to be melle range to be able to apply it. Anyway if she wasnt subpar, she'd be played. and she's not.

Xilbur1 votes

So you are saying that if they are played in competitive games, they are viable but when they are not, they aren't viable?

Revive Aatrox1 votes

I mean played on the rift, in every elo, every where in the world. She'S in top 10 least played champion, close to skarner, yorick, Galio and below Morderkaiser. Give's a big clue about her state. http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=champion-unpopularity&range=daily&map=sr&queue=normal

Revive Aatrox2 votes

Her W passive scales of max health yeah. but her true passive, ( Damaging an enemy with an ability or basic attack grants Sejuani 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 bonus armor and 10 / 15 / 20 / 25% Slow icon slow resistance for 2 seconds, increased by an additional 2 seconds per instance of damage up to a maximum of 8 seconds, with further damage refreshing the duration)

doesnt help her have sustain in the jungle. doesnt allow her to do a gank level 3 . if you cant do 3 camp then gank your pretty subpar for a jungler.

Xilbur2 votes

No she is SUPPOSED to scale to MID-LATE game. SHE IS SUPPOSED TO GET HER POWER SPIKE AT LEVEL SIX WHEN YOU HAVE 1-2 items. If you cant do level 3 camp than gank the you are pretty subpar? Master yi? FIddlesticks? also, she CAN gank at lvl 3. Just come in and q w e... But she is better for LATE game. If you say anything about lee, he is an EARLY GAME champion. He is supposed to gank at lvl 3 and really be dominant early, but then fall off late.

Revive Aatrox1 votes

She as the abilities to gank, she just need to back to base cause she's too low on health

RogueWill1 votes

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She as the abilities to gank, she just need to back to base cause she's too low on health

My friend do you want me to make a guide of how to sejuani for you? I think your problem lies on your jungle path and what monster you smite, maybe you are too used to AA based champions?

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

You might need to include builds. They seem to keep building attack speed items and Rylai's Crystal Scepter.

RogueWill1 votes

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Her W passive scales of max health yeah. but her true passive, ( Damaging an enemy with an ability or basic attack grants Sejuani 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 bonus armor and 10 / 15 / 20 / 25% Slow icon slow resistance for 2 seconds, increased by an additional 2 seconds per instance of damage up to a maximum of 8 seconds, with further damage refreshing the duration)

doesnt help her have sustain in the jungle. doesnt allow her to do a gank level 3 . if you cant do 3 camp then gank your pretty subpar for a jungler.

It really depends on your style of jungle, ideally her lvl 4 gank is way stronger than a lvl 3 but she in fact can pull a level 3 ganks without much issue, she will come out of the jungle basically at the same time as someone like J4 or a red starting VI, she would be at around 50% HP (70% if she get the crab) and shoudl be fine with the gank as long as she doesn't have to dive, why doesn't she? Well if you start red side you would be oom after the gank which will force you to recall to do the full clear, if you start blue side your damage will be quite low and you will need a heavy damage laner to dish out to get the kill. Level 4 sej will either have a stronger slow or quite a lot of damage with her W and it just works better (since you will also have blue and red buff) .

And as for her sustain.... is only fair to compare her to other tanks that posses similar clearing speeds, obviously gragas sustain is better but his clear is slower, maokai clear is similar and sustain better but the mana cost are higher same with amumu, J4 clears and sustain are worse. Malphite and Rammus will have a really low clears speed and the sustain is not even much better. Sure she is not Vi, she is not Lee Sin, or Master YI on terms of clears and sustain but is not subpar just plain different.

Big Lincoln1 votes

sejuani is fine

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

You realize that she's currently at a 53.5% win rate in Platinum+ right?

She doesn't really need help at the moment since Cinderhulk has been buffed.

Taking a quick look, I think your builds are probably your main issue on her.

item 3020 item 1402 item 3115 item 3152 item 3083 item 3075 is pretty horrible.

item 3009 item 1401 item 3115 item 3091 item 3124 is even worse.

You also seem to keep building Rylai's Crystal Scepter on her when every ability aside from W already has CC which outlasts it. At the very least, get Liandry's Torment instead.

RogueWill1 votes

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You realize that she's currently at a 53.5% win rate in Platinum+ right?

She doesn't really need help at the moment since Cinderhulk has been buffed.

Taking a quick look, I think your builds at probably your main issue on her.

item 3020 item 1402 item 3115 item 3152 item 3083 item 3075 is pretty horrible.

item 3009 item 1401 item 3115 item 3091 item 3124 is even worse.

You also seem to keep building Rylai's Crystal Scepter on her when every ability aside from W already has CC which outlasts it. At the very least, get Liandry's Torment instead.

If he really wants the extra slow, item 3025 would do a much better job.

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