Why are hypercarries lane bullies now?

Lunar ArcS·Aug 19, 2018·3 votes·1,494 views

Im legitimately curious.

23 Comments

saltranAug 19, 20182 votes

And you are talking about...?

Lunar ArcSAug 19, 20183 votes

Legit .. hyper carries? Jinx, kaisa, yasuo, literally anyone who hyper carries games. They dont have weak earlies with the exception of vayne

Shukr4nAug 19, 20181 votes

Define hypercarry then, because we have different definionts of it, it seema

ZephyrDrakeAug 19, 20183 votes

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Legit .. hyper carries? Jinx, kaisa, yasuo, literally anyone who hyper carries games. They dont have weak earlies with the exception of vayne

if a Jinx of all champions is bullying you in lane then maybe you should actually look at what you are playing against her and your play in general

Lunar ArcSAug 19, 20183 votes

theres a reason shes the number 1 on op.gg

ZephyrDrakeAug 19, 20182 votes

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theres a reason shes the number 1 on op.gg

why do I care about op.gg? or any site? that tells me nothing about her early game. Just that she wins games. What are you playing against her? who are her supports? Jinx isn't bullying anyone in lane unless she is that much better than her opposition or her support actually allows her to do anything at all in the early game

Lunar ArcSAug 19, 20182 votes

Wow you have proven to be a fucking idiot. "I dont care about ststa proving she is a lane bully, she isnt!!!! no matter what a website with accurate stats say" God damn the boards are such ajoke

saltranAug 19, 20181 votes

You are calling Kai'Sa a lane bully and you call the Boards a joke OMEGALUL

ZephyrDrakeAug 19, 20182 votes

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Wow you have proven to be a fucking idiot. "I dont care about ststa proving she is a lane bully, she isnt!!!! no matter what a website with accurate stats say" God damn the boards are such ajoke

you have not shown to me a single stat that indicates "this champion is a lane bully" all you have shown is "this champion wins games" unless now "winning game = lane bully" then you have done or shown nothing so right back at you buddy

rtbf221651412Aug 19, 20181 votes

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why do I care about op.gg?

Are you serious? No wonder this game is in such a shitty state.

ModWulf HelhammerAug 19, 20181 votes

Op.gg shows that champions are winning games.

It does not show hypercarries being lane bullies

rtbf221651412Aug 19, 20181 votes

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Op.gg shows that champions are winning games.

It does not show hypercarries being lane bullies

Remember that time when Twitch?

I do.

Remember that time when games are decided earlier now?

I do.

Also IT DOES. Look again.

ZephyrDrakeAug 19, 20182 votes

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Are you serious? No wonder this game is in such a shitty state.

yes why do I care about what op.gg ranks a champion at? it tells me nothing about the champions laning habits. A champion can absolutely demolish in lane and be completely useless at every other stage of the game making it lose more games than it should. So how is that reflected in stats? there are so many champions that "win before 20~30 mins" that it really doesn't matter when games barely ever reach beyond that point to begin with. Give me actual proof of laning stats instead of "look at this general stats for the champion it certainly proves that it's a lane bully somehow!"

rtbf221651412Aug 19, 20181 votes

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yes why do I care about what op.gg ranks a champion at?

Did you know it shows a graph of winrate based on game length?

And that this season is short games?

Oh wow much news. Such amaze. Much wow.

ZephyrDrakeAug 19, 20181 votes

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Did you know it shows a graph of winrate based on game length?

And that this season is short games?

Oh wow much news. Such amaze. Much wow.

and that tells me what exactly? once again, tells me nothing about how the champion behaves in the early game. You can be god in the laning phase and absolute garbage everywhere else. Still win games in the late game... does that make that champion be good in the late game? not really. You can lose the early game and still win games. Are you going to show me actually something of value here? there are many "hypercarries" that actually have horrible winrates in the late game just like there are lane bullies whose winrate is better later on in the game. Champions who are better in the mid game when and fall off drastically late game even though they are supposed to be at their strongest in the late game. Do those graphs actually say "this champion destroys everyone in the early game?" or "this champion has no problem at all against anyone in the early game?" or "this champion can survive the early game and win!"? I don't care if a graph tells me that a champion wins more "early" still doesn't tell me a single thing about whether they are a lane bully or not

rtbf221651412Aug 19, 20181 votes

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and that tells me what exactly? once again, tells me nothing about how the champion behaves in the early game.

You must be new here.

I guess early game decides games, games ending early, high damage, and graphs showing information means nothing to you combined. Deny the elephant in the room. You are good at it.

ZephyrDrakeAug 19, 20182 votes

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You must be new here.

I guess early game decides games, games ending early, high damage, and graphs showing information means nothing to you combined. Deny the elephant in the room. You are good at it.

I guess you musty be new here. I don't care if games end early. You can lose the first 10-15 mins of the game and still win the game as long as you didn't play like a monkey and are 5 kills behind along with something like 30 CS behind

rtbf221651412Aug 19, 20181 votes

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I don't care if games end early.

Then you completely missed the concept of what a hyper carry vs non is.

ZephyrDrakeAug 19, 20182 votes

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Then you completely missed the concept of what a hyper carry vs non is.

And you still haven't shown anything that proves they are lane bullies

rtbf221651412Aug 20, 20181 votes

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And you still haven't shown anything that proves they are lane bullies

Already did. It's called looking at the forest not the trees. A tree alone won't define a forest. Multiple trees will. How to define and see the bigger picture 101.