But good fucking lord veigar is so braindead He gets to play extremely safe all game long, farming ap from his turret if needed. Then 20-30 minutes hits and if he is even remotely fed, boom he has 1200 ap and is one shotting champions and turrets.
z63XnLCMwX40 votesNasus of mid lane.
La Bello10 votes
Ranged Nasus
mid lane Nasus
support Nasus
Seer of Mind3 voteswhat does vayne stack?
Recon121232 votesbodies
Thefrostyviking5 votesA very grim but real truth.
RainXBlade2 votes"Let The Bodies Hit The Floor" plays in the background.
Malak20 votesVeigar is like the garen of mages
4th3t0s12 votesNo, that would be Annie
Sexy Jack Rabbit6 votes
is the Ashe of mages
is the Garen of Adcs
is the Blitzcrank of Tanks
is the Janna of Supports
Omfg I confused myself.
Velasan18 votesSo, like ok yeah... but he is supposed to be. There are supposed to be simple champs in this game. If they EVER change Veigar or Annie into some three hit monstrosity with dashes... I'm just done.
I like Veigar, even for being as simple as he is. No champion should win every fight just because they can dash around like a mad man or have a paragraph long passive.
OblivionsGrasp4 votesOnly issue I have on is his ult. The scaling on that shit is retarded, not to mention its point and click. At least garen has to get into melee range to ult. That champ can use his from half way from one tower to the other.
LordGeovanni1 votesI have a problem with veigar having any ap scalings above 40% and massive base damage on W on top of its scaling while getting infinite ap for touching champions with spells that they really dont have an option to not get hit by due to the nature of his cage and dashes. if his Q it was still just ap on minion kills with q and champion kills then he could have up to 80% ap ratio on one of his skills and still be fair.
MrFawknSunshine17 voteshe is slow squishy he has to scale. champs with gap closers hard counter him.
Vlada Cut9 voteshe is slow squishy he has to scale. champs with gap closers hard counter him.
Even ezreal laughs at him in lane.
MrFawknSunshine3 votesEven ezreal laughs at him in lane.
i love seeing him on an enemy team cuz i one trick maokai and i get free engages on him all the time with W , im untargetable and can dodge his burst or his cage of death
ModWulf Helhammer13 votesAnd how many champions have the ability to do that?
MrFawknSunshine7 votes[{quoted}](name= Król Wilk Sam,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6iMYzMJk,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-10T23:19:15.401+0000)
And how many champions have the ability to do that?
a lot of hyper mobile champs can dodge his burst and cage
thats the meta the hyper mobile damage dealer.
talon is a hard counter to viegar , zed is great vs him. so on and so on
ModWulf Helhammer13 votesExcept for champions with just a regular dash, the cage stops them in place, and none of them are tanky enough to get hit by him at all.
Zed can get in or out of the cage, sure, but that’s because he has a blink, which not very many champions do (and most don’t use it as their engage tool)
MrFawknSunshine5 votes[{quoted}](name= Król Wilk Sam,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6iMYzMJk,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-10T23:24:45.919+0000)
Except for champions with just a regular dash, the cage stops them in place, and none of them are tanky enough to get hit by him at all.
Zed can get in or out of the cage, sure, but that’s because he has a blink, which not very many champions do (and most don’t use it as their engage tool)
viegar is hardly an issue, he is all skill shot base, he has to scale to really 1 shot anything. immobile, squishy. mana dependent and in the faster game meta we have been in he is better as the game goes longer.
in this patch for plat + elos he has less then a 2 % ban rate and less then a 4% pick rate. he clearly isnt broken or op other wise he be more contested pick/ban
Frosted Tips5 votesin this patch for plat + elos he has less then a 2 % ban rate and less then a 4% pick rate. he clearly isnt broken or op other wise he be more contested pick/ban
That doesn't mean anything because champions playrate and banrate can fluctuate drastically depending on players preferences. To many Veigar probably isn't fun to play so he has a low pickrate. Sense he has a low pickrate why ban when 1 in every 25 games you will see him even if he is OP. Not saying he is or isn't OP just saying those stats don't mean much.
Necroside3 votesThen you should look to not being in a place where people's reaction are that of a snail.
Votable Jester1 votesThe delay means that a quick response dash will get you of of it though.
DKM Bismarck1 votesTalon isn't a hard counter to Veigar unless Veigar randomly uses his cage. A decent Veigar never dies to Talon, a decent Talon just ditches the lane to roam because Veigar cannot follow quickly enough.
I don't think Veigar is OP, I'm just pointing this out. Zed on the other hand is very good vs him, but Veigar can hold cage until he ults so even in that lane, Veigar has win conditions.
Marothennan2 votesTIL Veigar is the only champ that is slow and squishy
EvilUnicornLord14 votesHe's easy alright, which means if you can't outplay him with a complicated champion, that's on you, not him.
Simple =/= Overpowered
LordGeovanni1 votesbut not all champions are complicated and can outplay him. straw man arguements like this is why no one takes boards seriously
EvilUnicornLord1 votesOf course not, counters exist and Garen has roughly as many counters to him as champions he counters. That's one of the mechanics of League.
And if you wind up playing a champion that can't really beat Garen through skill alone, you ask for a gank, build to counter him, use another mechanic of League to defeat him.
I recently played a match as Darius against Tristana (and Darius is pretty lousy against her all things considered) but because I built to fight against her and played appropriately, I was able to somewhat turn the lane around and wound up doing okay against her midgame (lategame she got fed off my team and snowballed pretty hard, but we won anyway). And keep in mind that I'm not blowing my own horn here, I'm just providing an example even if it doesn't exactly match the Garen argument.
FireDrizzle11 votesAre we just calling champos we dont like braindead now?
Akali is braindead.
HeimerLmao2 votesNope, she is so HOT (notice me senpai [sg-soraka] ).
FireDrizzle1 votesBut her boobs are nerfed.
HeimerLmao2 votesYeah, I know. It was a sad day for the league community and IMO she isn't as hot as she was, but the known Rito rager, anime watcher, Akali mainer and angry getter under the name I mentioned didn't change the name, therefore the joke is still valid.
LordGeovanni1 votesshe is.
I love Veigar9 votesVeigar is an awful spot right now. Assassins mid are meta and many if not all assassins have one way to deal with veigar in their kit. There is a reason he has a 47% wr in plat+ and that's because he just doesn't fit into a meta where games end in 25 minutes or so. Get better and don't die. It's incredibly hard to feed a veigar. Like you have to actively try to die to him pre-6. Actually like you can't even solo kill with veigar consistently until you get like 2 items so like you really have bad positioning to like die to him. Also completely irrelevant but his cage has an incredibly small range so if you just learn the ranges of his kit you would understand how to play against him but :/
4th3t0s6 votes[{quoted}](name=Lunar ArcS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6iMYzMJk,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-08-10T22:47:58.587+0000)
He gets to play extremely safe all game long,
Uhm, no; he has almost the lowest base hp in the game, absolutely jackshit for self-peel outside his e; where everyone and their mother has a blink, and his "one-shot" gimmick died first with DFG being updated years ago, then his ult being changed to an execute. Before his mini-rework (/rimshot), he was borderline eve-tier for midlane because of how pathetic his early game was.
Child of the Pit5 votesHe kinda gets destroyed hard by champs which can poke him from safe distance, like Xerath.
JedenVojak4 votes[{quoted}](name=Lunar ArcS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6iMYzMJk,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-08-10T22:47:58.587+0000)
But good fucking lord veigar is so braindead He gets to play extremely safe all game long, farming ap from his turret if needed. Then 20-30 minutes hits and if he is even remotely fed, boom he has 1200 ap and is one shotting champions and turrets.
Good fucking lord are Jhin and Jinx braindead.
They get to play extremely safe all game long, farming gold from their turrrets if needed. Then 20-30 minutes hit, and if they're even remotely fed, boom they're critting for 300-400 damage with undodgeable attacks and shredding through champions and turrets in no time.
Thefrostyviking1 votesI would agree but botlane is NEVER safe.
Unless is a enhancer support meta, then its pacifism for ~10 minutes or so until they start shooting with the speed of gattling guns at which point its a midlane aram rush to see whose gattling gun and meatshield is the best.
LordGeovanni1 votesriot goes out of their way to gut anything that disturbs adcs farming time except veigar lux and brand as it seems.
LordGeovanni1 votesadcs on the whole are brain dead
JedenVojak1 votesadcs on the whole are brain dead
Now now, I don't think you solve anything with anti-marksman bigotry.
LordGeovanni1 votesAnd you dont solve anything by calling what i said bigotry without proving me wrong. I can stand up on any adc and deal half of and melee champions their health bar before they can walk to me with an average crit build same with on hit builds. Some champions have dashes to reach you quicker but that is only some and without any outside interference 90% of adcs have their own cc to stop/slow down champions that want to attack them the rest and some overlapping have some type of mobility boost that keeps them safe while they output damage. There is also that they have squads of champions with the purpose of protecting them on some occasions. Mind you there are some champions with mobility that they can just reach to adcs and kill them but most of those champions are overtuned themselves for not having appropriately lowered damage for the mobility they have.
JedenVojak1 votesThe ability to walk up to and beat up marksmen is a stated weakness of marksmen, and why they have supports in the first place.
Unless you're performed some extensive analysis of the play efficacy of every ADC main that has existed in LoL, claims of members of said group being "generally braindead" are not supported by evidence, and are nothing more than an expression of your personal bias i.e. bigotry.
Your personal experience is irrelevant.
LordGeovanni1 votesYou wanting to add adc mains and their flaws and bad plays into balance is why dumb stuff like yasou having double the amount of crit of anyone else for 10% less crit damage and release zoe with her one shot q's from level 3 are allowed in the game.
I gave evidence as you said nothing to dis prove as you cant simpily walk up to adcs when they have their own in kit ways to keep away from people along with having the fastest general movement speed in the game at all times due to how well they scale with zeal items except when mages build 
and 
at the same time for which its been a while since they went that build.
Again adcs have dedicated people to peel any aggression off of them while having their own tools to do the same thing with high damage mobility and range. Adcs should have some of that damage reduced for having those tools that make them safe and some of those tools cost more resources mana and cooldown so they cant continiously run from fights come back in and run again with no window to exploit
JedenVojak1 votesI believe I have misunderstood what you were saying all along, I though you were saying that marksmen _players _ are brain dead.
You're saying that marksmen are easy to play, that they have a lot of safety nets, and have a lot of power relative to melee champs.
In Dota 2, the ranged characters have a lower turn speed, so they can't just kite people to death, and melee carries can actually can be a thing, but in League they have traditionally paid little cost for their range.
Now that I have re-read your posts, I'm generally in agreement with your sentiments.
LordGeovanni1 votesHonestly i am saying both Specifcally because Marksmen have so much saftey nets and deal so much damage that they just kill anything that would dare threaten them, that marksmen players dont have to be good same with mages and assassins though less and less for each proceeding class.
Saftey nets 
supposedly having a weak moment when reloading but getting a massive movement speed burst that just lets him nope the hell out of there.
Keeping the movement speed on 
after crowding fighters out of being able to build it and even further adding 
with as much movement speed as 2 but tanks movement speed options (which fighters have to share) are intentionally kept weak 
and even worse the movement speed is always conditional which i dont really have a problem with as much as that if anything safe damage Movement speed should be more condional than a melee champion that has to risk getting close to even start to do anything. there are also things like the best devensive spells being on squishy champions
damage reduction e(armor and magic resist was a more fitting version) that by virtue of being on annie means that it cant be put on many more melee fighters only other one like it in the game is on 
there is 
spell shield and it doesnt even cost anything but rather gives her more mana
Massive targeted dash with a massive shield because some one else landed cc 
what tank / fighter wouldnt love that
KFCeytron4 votesLast time I faced a Veigar in PvP, I bought a Zhonya's so I could block his ult. He wasn't happy about it.
La Bello3 voteswould rather play against a Veigar than a Syndra 
tbh.
At least Veigar has to hit something first before he can fire his 123000 damage execute nuke. Syndra can miss everything and still just tap R on you to remove you from the game and punish you for daring to play bot/supp. Even if by some amazing grace she cant one-tap your with R mid game she WILL be able to do it by late game.
to me Veigar was always bad Syndra.
Villainous V3 votesAs someone who mains veigar I can tell you it isn't as easy as you think. Sure when he's ahead he can snowball, but thats what most hyperscaling champs do. Get put up against a good assassin or long ranged mage and mid lane can be a living hell.
MorgManBasher3 votes
Congrats, he can no longer stun you or land w.
Blåbæret2 votesVeigar is the sort of champion which should just be gutted until a rework comes by. He can go 0/10 in lane and still oneshot you by skillfully hitting his R button. The worst part is that he doesn't even need to farm to 100-0 combo you. He can already do that at lvl 6 with zero items.
I don't understand why braindead champions like this even exist. His cage effectively has no counterplay either.
