Friends, Summoners, gamers, lend me your ears… (A Sona/Riot Irritation thread)

Slushi Simcambi··6 votes·1,034 views
The PBE has been down for 2 and a half weeks, first update is a nerf to... SONA??

I come to bury Sona, not to praise her. The evil that women do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones; So let it be with Sona. The noble Riot Hath told you Sona was overpowered: If it were so, it was a grievous fault, And grievously hath Sona answer'd it. Here, under leave of Riot and the rest-- For Riot Jag is an honourable man; So are they all, all honourable men-- Come I to speak in Sona's funeral. She was my friend, faithful and just to me: But Riot says she was too ambitious; And Riot Jag is an honourable man. She hath brought many assists home to bot lane Whose pockets did the kills aid in filling: Did this in Sona seem ambitious? When that the Marksman have cried, Sona hath wept: Ambition should be made of sterner stuff: Yet Riot Jag says she was overpowered; And Riot Jag is an honourable man. You all did see that on the turn of the season We thrice presented them many a solution, Which they did thrice refuse: was she overpowered? Yet Riot says she was broken; And, sure, they are honourable men. I speak not to disprove what Riot spoke, But here I am to speak what I do know. You all did love her once, not without cause: What cause withholds you then, to fight for her? O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts, And Summoners have lost their reason. Bear with me; My heart is in the coffin there with Sona, And I must pause till it come back to me.

Tl;dr In a recent thread (which I provided a link too) Riot Jag provided some insight into how exactly he and Riot games valued the input of us players and those on the PBE (hint hint, its none) and that the changes to Sona are going live no matter what, even with community dissent. He goes on to say he values good communication and he hopes to MAYBE return to Sona in the future.

This is blatant ignorance, after weeks of radio silence from Rito in regards to Casseopia and Sona.

Riot seems to show little value for its player’s opinions (ESPECIALLY those on PBE).

I won’t argue for and against Sona as others can do that far better than I. However I am saying that Riot’s community interaction has been awful this past while, and that in regard to Balance and Gameplay, they rarely stick their heads in threads that bring up very valid critiques of certain champions. Usually fleeing after holes have been shot in their arguments, if ever showing up even then.

Red’s will say how they love learning about interacting with the community, then spit in your face by ignoring any feedback and pushing poorly thought out changes to live (except God forbid LeeSin ) Why have forums if you won't even listen to what we have to discuss? (before you say "they do listen" I mean listening AND ACTING on that gleaned information).

Not Happy Riot.

Not happy.

17 Comments

ModKnightsKemplar5 votes

While I don't expect Riot to respond to every post on the threads (they couldn't do their job if they did), I do think they do a poor job of explaining how they arrived at changes. I see the effort they make, but I'm definitely not sold on their process of late. They seems to be making changes to a lot of champions, and on the whole, I'd say they've been ineffective at addressing balance and thematic concerns.

Specifically, Soraka , Sion , Cassiopeia are champions that I feel have been significantly changed, and not only do I see a TON of dissent on the forums about them, I ALSO don't see them in games now. If Riot was REALLY right about how to "fix" these champions, they should at least see more play, imo. What's the point of reworking a champ if your rework just makes them even more obscure? I don't get it.

Edge of Daybreak2 votes

Ugh another sona thread claiming she is dead when she has been nerfed way harder in the past and still maintains a 52-53% winrate which is much higher than nami who you all claim is better. This is actually ridiculous at this point. Come back when you get hit with a diana tier nerf.

Joe Dredd1 votes

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Slushi Simcambi4 votes

Are you going to elaborate?

Or are you voicing the general consensus of Riot Employees?

Either way, you contribute nothing to the topic and because you don't elaborate with some sort of reasoning than I am afraid your stance is a rather weak and foolish looking one.

Anyone else?

Joe Dredd2 votes

I feel that Sona is a bit on the strong side right now. Now before you compare her to Nami and say Nami is so much better (like all Sona criers do) Nami has 4 more base health. People also say "well sona has no cc pre 6" They forget that Sona has a 5 man shield, 2 person heal, and a scaling damage reduction in one skill. She has a 5 man huge ms boost and scaling slow on another, and a large poke and 5 man attack boost on the last. I feel like Sona's only weakness is hard engage, where she should have more.

Slushi Simcambi4 votes

That's much different than the rude comment you posted earlier, then deleted I'm sure because you didn't want to appear foolish.

You still haven't really pointed out how Nami is inferior.

I have little interest in discussing Sona with you, your earlier comment makes me want to interact with you little, my main issue is how Riot has rudely ignored any criticism by the community (But I will say that there are those who have superior poke, heal, and ms bonuses in other supports bot, Sona only really excels in poke and she has to get crazy close to do so as one of the squishiest champions in the game).

Joe Dredd2 votes
  1. I never delete my comments. Riot does. Nami has better lane but Sona's teamfight is much better.

If you didn't want to discuss, then why respond. Now you're wasting my time by asking for a discussion and then being like "lol nope", and that's why I keep my shit simple like "Fuck Sona". (my original comment)

And for you to say she only excels in poke means you read nothing of what I wrote or you don't understand what it means.

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

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I have little interest in discussing Sona with you

Sona mains have no interest in discussing sona with anyone unless they say that sona is trash and needs buffs. Any other response is either a troll or someone who hates sona to them.

I'm surprised you talk about ignorance when sona mains are acting more ignorant than anyone else. For gods sake they actually downvote you for stating facts about her kit.

Miku Hime sama4 votes

You sir, are guilty of hypocrisy.

Good day to you.

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

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Nami has 4 more base health. They forget that Sona has a 5 man shield, 2 person heal, and a scaling damage reduction in one skill. She has a 5 man huge ms boost and scaling slow on another, and a large poke and 5 man attack boost on the last. I feel like Sona's only weakness is hard engage, where she should have more.

These are things sona mains hate you for saying. Actual facts about her.

Joe Dredd2 votes

As soon as I put up my reasons he says he doesn't wanna discuss. GG.

Slushi Simcambi3 votes

Literally said in the OP this wasn't something I felt like discussing.

Sorry you can't read.

Joe Dredd3 votes

Except you asked me to elaborate. Sorry you can't remember what you typed.

Slushi Simcambi4 votes

IF you are going to post an unfounded opinion as crude as "Fuck Sona" then yes, why the heck wouldn't I ask you to explain yourself?

Joe Dredd1 votes

IF you have no interest in discussing, why the heck would you ask me to explain myself? You could've just ignored my response.

killd0zer1 votes

Shit thread

Slushi Simcambi4 votes

AH, thank you for contributing.

Loving these two word posts with one of them always being an expletive. Way to support the boards.

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