@Meddler@Riot Can we homoginize clear speed and get some jungle diversity already?

Holgranth··1 votes·612 views

All the top picks in high elo and LCS the past few years have been fast clearing junglers with early to mid game pressure.Nidalee Graves Elise RekSai LeeSin JarvanIV ShyvanaKindred Gragas and tank Ekko

All champions that can suck the jungle dry getting every last drop of gold while still pressuring the enemy team harder than a high school American football star pressures his prom date. The second one of them gets sufficiently nerfed they are tossed aside and forgotten and another fast clearing early pressure jungler takes over.

Champions that bring objective control Nunu Chogath Skarner or CCMonkeyKing Zac SejuaniAmumu Malphite Nautilus or damage potential and scaling Nasus Jax FiddlesticksTryndamere MasterYi Twitch Karthus or ganking and roaming potentialQuinn Shaco Pantheon TwistedFate Nocturne Diana Rammus Khazix or sheer ability to become a meatwall Volibear Olaf DrMundo or some unique thing not usually found on a jungler Zyra LuluShen Kayle get shunted aside unless they are batshit overpowered which usually means fast clear times and tons of mid game pressure by default.

All the champions on that list will never be picked in the jungle in the LCS so long as the early pressure crew can get gold and experience way faster than them. Gold and Pressure are ALL that matter in LCS and higher level ranked. Its time to nerf the crap out of the generalists and level the playing field. Elise RekSai and Nidalee especially will never be balanced in the jungle just because they are so flat with insane early game power and no meaningful cooldowns besides summoner spells.

Its time to homogenize clear speeds a lot. Tank junglers need to get a small amount of bonus damage to monsters allowing them to clear at least competitively, without turning them into champion mauling uber bruisers. The current crop of champions need to be nerfed early game and reworked or buffed late game, then and only then will we see people picking junglers for their unique strengths not just clear speed and pressure.

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Maximum Morde3 votes

Clear isn't the only factor that goes into a jungler. Ease of clear, dueling, ganking, mobility etc all go into it. All you'd do if you made it all the same clear is nerf the jungles who are only good because they can clear fast.

Erockandroll2 votes

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Clear isn't the only factor that goes into a jungler. Ease of clear, dueling, ganking, mobility etc all go into it. All you'd do if you made it all the same clear is nerf the jungles who are only good because they can clear fast.

Faster clear, means a higher gold count, more XP, and a level advantage over your opponent.

Clear speed is not optional, and even with variation, it can't be by that much.

Holgranth1 votes

At least SOMEONE gets it. :)

Feed Daddy2 votes

Lol no

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

You do that, and a large number of those champs become pretty shitty.

Holgranth1 votes

Yes. because all those champs have literally no identity beyond clear speed and early pressure.

WolfChases1 votes

While I understand the part of your post when you say that faster clear time means more gold and more exp I do not agree on anything else. Look, Elise Nidalee Gragas RekSai are really good early game and that's all, except maybe Gragas who's good at every stage of a game due to his perfect kit. That doesn't means that other champions are less good and that they need faster clear in order to stay at the same line as Elise because they are already on the same line. Elise has that early game potential but that Nautilus is a late game monster CC machine that simply can't die and can point click CC the whole enemy team if positioned properly so he pays with bad early game because he's monster late comparing to Elise who turns into a stun bot support warding machine late game.

It's not that Elise Graves LeeSin Nidalee RekSai Vi are the best champions because they are most popular, actually, problem is in the jungle and current meta...well, every single meta that's snowbally. Do you remember cinderhulk meta and longer games? If you do than you noticed how top tier picks were Maokai Nautilus Rammus Sejuani Shyvana Gragas why? Games were 40 mins + tanks were able to get fed and deal damage and both Elise and LeeSin fell out of favor.

Riot is balancing around LCS and if Pros don't want to play long and stale games, you have to deal with early game junglers who can snowball their laners at first 15-20 min of the game. There's nothing you can do about it, champions aren't the problem but the state of the game. Other than that, why should I play that Sejuani or Maokai jungle and risk to get counterjungled by Shaco and die/be forced to flash vecause I can't fight back? Lol, no, I am going to pick something that can fight back.

Your post have a point but your idea for a change is really bad, that's why i downvoted you. I don't really want to se a Volibear Nautilus or Sejuani with fast clears and good gold income early game because they are monsters late anyways.

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