LeBlanc's early game is straight OP and toxic. I'm a LeBlanc player.

dakota saturn··2 votes·1,043 views

She is very toxic after the rework - although she was given a delay on the sigil, she was given 100x more options to pop it. It is very easy to chunk down the enemy when you don't have to telegraph your combo anymore, and her mana costs are next to nothing.

Please tone down her early game and please don't make her a potato late game because of the 1.5s sigil in teamfights.

Thank you.

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ChaddyFantome2 votes

She is very toxic after the rework - although she was given a delay on the sigil, she was given 100x more options to pop it.

How is this wrong or bad in any way shape or form?

dakota saturn1 votes

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How is this wrong or bad in any way shape or form?

It removes counterplay if there's no way to stop her from doing it.

Big Lincoln2 votes

i agree

from a couple games with her I could get very fed off my lane and then do absolutely nothing about my lead later on. as soon as they grouped I had to hope the ADC would step in front of their tank or i was relegated to peel

very frustrating

Ralanr1 votes

Same with Talon. I think it's intended.

Big Lincoln1 votes

I don't really like it either way

Ralanr1 votes

Well I guess now assassins fall off after mid.

Some anyway.

dakota saturn1 votes

Nice discussion

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Hey,

I'm learning Leblanc, and I gotta say her laning can be a butt pain, but seeing as she is a snowball-reliant champ it only makes sense. Deny her kills and she isn't so much of a pain late.

Now the game I played I fed the enemy Talon quite hard because I had no idea what I was doing. However I could still make an impact in teamfights by flanking and murdering their Jhin, who was usually in the back. I was also a good splitpusher and a good distraction for their heavily fed Lee SIn, without him my team could take theirs in a 4v4, and even though Lee killed me. (I still suck at dashing over walls with W) We won the game because my damage late game was insane enough to be dangerous in skirmishes.

Now to your concerns.

She can be dealt with in lane like she always could be. CC her when she dashes at you. She was given a delay on the return W so it's easier now.

Her mana costs are next to nothing when you get item 3165 and item 1082, but not before.

She's an assassin, she should have a good early game, and like the other assassins she isn't meant to teamfight like a mage, however she will ruin the life of immobile champs that try to 1v1 her.

dakota saturn1 votes

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Hey,

I'm learning Leblanc, and I gotta say her laning can be a butt pain, but seeing as she is a snowball-reliant champ it only makes sense. Deny her kills and she isn't so much of a pain late.

Now the game I played I fed the enemy Talon quite hard because I had no idea what I was doing. However I could still make an impact in teamfights by flanking and murdering their Jhin, who was usually in the back. I was also a good splitpusher and a good distraction for their heavily fed Lee SIn, without him my team could take theirs in a 4v4, and even though Lee killed me. (I still suck at dashing over walls with W) We won the game because my damage late game was insane enough to be dangerous in skirmishes.

Now to your concerns.

She can be dealt with in lane like she always could be. CC her when she dashes at you. She was given a delay on the return W so it's easier now.

Her mana costs are next to nothing when you get item 3165 and item 1082, but not before.

She's an assassin, she should have a good early game, and like the other assassins she isn't meant to teamfight like a mage, however she will ruin the life of immobile champs that try to 1v1 her.

I'm not posting this as a ragepost because I just got owned by her. I ONLY play her. And every game is the same - their mid lane just gets completely wrecked - it's not even difficult to do it anymore. I onetricked her since season 2 and she doesn't even have any bad matchups now. She used to get wrecked by Syndra, and would have a hard time vs Yasuo and Zed. Now, they aren't even remotely challenging.

If you say she can be dealt with easily, tell that to any of the opponents I've faced since the remake went live - because none of them have managed to stop me from feeding on them. Even when they rush Maw or Abyssal, my combo still chunks them for more than half their HP at almost zero risk. Her mana costs were also greatly reduced - her E costs only 40 mana at all ranks, for example - meaning I almost never have to back unless I get chunked down.

I am saying this because I want her power curve smoothed out. She is ungodly strong early, it's like when she first came out and had to be hotfixed for how oppressive she was. Her early game is a crutch - she has a lot of problems that most people can't acknowledge or see because of her super oppressive early game.

Leo10241 votes

I like the changes, strongest early game champ but falls of significantly

dakota saturn1 votes

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I like the changes, strongest early game champ but falls of significantly

Isn't this why her ult was redone a few years ago? To stop her from being so binary?

Why is it healthy for a champion to be disgustingly op early game, to the point where nobody wants to play against them even if its a free win later on?

This is not good design imo. It feels awful for the LB player, and it feels awful for the mid she is against early on.

Lunar Lunacy1 votes

As a Leblanc main I agree, sadly. BUT DON'T NERF HER RITO I'M ENJOYING EASY 20+ KILL GAMES

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