Healthy Assassin: Has limited escapes and fairly simply kit
Non-Healthy Assassin: Loaded with insane mobility and invulnerability
BloodyTompon4 votesThat's almost the opposite. Zed and Fizz are much healthier than Talon. By having an escape they are able to be less binary. If assassins only have a way in they must be given a mandate to kill the squishy easily and quickly. Basically these assassins become a trade of assassin for ADC. Not at all a good thing for game health.
Michael Sykes1 votessimilar to Rengar - assassins are intended to have those escapes, because of that they are going to be updated
BluePolarizer3 votesso Rengar is a healthy assassin. Great!
Quepha3 votesTalon is not even remotely Healthy. Kha'zix can also get out with his ult. Nocturne isn't even an assassin.
TheOvermind1 votesCan you make your research before you come out on the boards and start spreading false information like that ? I dunno how poeple play nocturne in your Elo, but experienced league players play nocturne as an ad assassin. Warrior + hydra+ ghostblade +dusk blade + a tank item . I also know that the client attributes are prett outdated but nocturnes attribute is an assassin. Here is the deal though . He is not a diver like lee sin or irelia or vi or hecarim who intends to use his mobility to reliably reach the backline and put some pressure there force some summoners and relieve some pressure off of his frontline. No , nocturne doesn't do that. He has almost 0 built in mobility in his kit. All he has is a super long range single Target dash that allows him to get on top of a squishy carry and blow them up instantly. He does so in the same fashion talon rengar shaco or khazix would. He is therefore an assassin. Coming from An 80.000 mastery point former nocturne main.
Irelia Bot2 votesThing about Noc is he feels more like a diver then an assassin.
Yes his ult is really assassin like but he is not usually blowing up targets in under 2 seconds and in turn has to stick to them for a bit to get the kill.
TheOvermind1 votesI kill adcs in less than 1 s with nocturne. Warrior hydra ghosblade dusk blade tank item.
Best KhaZix Void2 votesAssasins are supposed to be mobile.
oh that zed1 votesWHAT DO YOU MEAN UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN ZED
Defended1 votesLe blanc doesnt have 4 jumps. Fizz doesnt have 3 jumps. Zed doesnt have 3 jumps.
Dealth2 voteswhat?? if you count returning to their original position then yes they do
BloodyTompon1 votesFizz still doesn't have 3.
Dealth1 voteshis e has 2 hops
The Last Ballad1 votesThe dash, the jump onto his poll, then the optional jump off.
BloodyTompon1 votesE is a single dash. The optional hop off is a mechanically an extension of the jump (not another jump), since at no point does he land.
The Last Ballad1 votesIt may be one jump, but it can go in multiple directions. Which to me counts as it is two separate instances of movement, instead of one continuous one.
BloodyTompon1 votesFair enough. I can see where you are coming from, I just disagree.
oh that zed1 votestalon ult is unbelievably short, which makes up for his need to use it frequently, zed on the other hand needs to play safe until his shadow is back up and even more so until his ult is. khazix is not healthy, if target is isolated he does insane damage. full on tank khazix can do 500 damage if target is isolated. nocturne is god at 1v1 because of his fear.
you buy zhonya for zed and he can't do much. unfortunately can't say much for adcs though.
Horidas1 votesKha'Zix is pretty healthy in my opinion, this is coming from someone who mains him though. Only if the kha's any good will they get far. If not, they can EASILY be cc'd and destroyed.
forist1 votesAfter rank 2 talon and zed have the same cooldown on their ults. Oh, and 100 seconds is by no means short imo.
oh that zed1 votesCC destroys every champion though.
Niyumi1 votesA healthy assassin is one that requires actual skill to do anything. Talon, Ekko, Zed (ONLY when he's fighting more than one person at a time and isn't super fed), and so on.
Targeted point and click bullshit is not healthy, especially when it near instantly kills people.
spombjop1 votesKhazix has heals and infinite jumps, it's hard not to kill someone as kha. Nocturne doesn't have to disengage, he is fucking OP nocturne, he kills when he engages.
The Last Ballad2 votesKha can only jump as often as there are enemy champs to kill, and his heal is limited to pointblank voidspike, and lifesteal.
he kills when he engages
I believe that is why he is an assassin...
oh that zed1 votescough kha'zix cough
and according to LOL wikipedia ( http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Talon ) and ( http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zed ) rank 2, talon ult is 80 seconds, zed ult is 100. at rank 1, talon ult is 100 seconds compared to zed ult 120 at rank 3, when it's maxed out, talon ult is 60s and zed is 80s.
this is without cooldown whatsoever. imagine if a talon had 45% cooldown reduction on his rank 3 ult. it would be 27 seconds cooldown. compared to zed 46.
you know nothing, jon snow!
Zero Skill Tank3 votes27 seconds cooldown. compared to zed 46. It's 33 to 46, actually.
Also what's the point of this comparison? Talon has lower cooldown on ult because Zed can do much more without his ult, seems fair to me.
TNHA Baritone1 votesLets assume the one main thing that counters assassins (peel) is absent, assassins should have an easier time getting to their target than other roles, but should have a harder time disengaging. I always thought it should be like that because if an assassin messes up and goes in at the wrong time, they shouldn't just press a button and leap out of danger. But when you have Zed, Fizz, Leblanc, Kha'Zix, Ekko etc being incredibly mobile, it's no wonder that they are unhealthy.