Why did we buff cait...

GigglesO·Sep 27, 2017·46 votes·2,390 views

When we could have nerfed other adcs?

71 Comments

InfernapeSep 27, 201728 votes

She had a 42% win rate. I don't think nerfing other ADCs would've done much.

Teemo Did 911Sep 27, 20174 votes

ryze sits at 45% win rate .. yet it's pros players most played champion so what? lol

AenaeusSep 27, 201713 votes

Twitch Draven Xayah KogMaw need a nerf.

jwebb0113Sep 27, 20175 votes

xayah has a sub 50% win rate 49.93% https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Xayah/

kog has a sub 50% win rate 49.09% https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/KogMaw/

draven has a 51.12% win rate https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Draven/

twitch has a 52.65% win rate https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Twitch/

tristana has a 50.19% win rate https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Tristana/

sivir has a 50.99% win rate https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Sivir/

vayne has a 50.87% win rate https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Vayne/

jinx has a 51.20 % win rate https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Jinx/

just some food for thought

GigglesOSep 27, 20175 votes

You realize that since there is (almost) always an adc on the team. that at least2-3 (bare minimum 1) have to be at or above 50% winrate...

jwebb0113Sep 27, 201711 votes

yet you dont want cait to be buffed from her 45 % win rate she has seen for a while now ... when she got gutted

GigglesOSep 27, 20174 votes

No, I've been enjoying not seeing her for the first season since her release...

jwebb0113Sep 27, 201714 votes

oh so you are bias

and thanks for the downvote like it means anything

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

GigglesOSep 28, 20172 votes

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oh so you are bias

ok

and thanks for the downvote like it means anything

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

As if the rest of the boards community isn't. Look when lee and leblank were at 45% winrate... yea noone was really asking for buffs on those guys... I'm just trying to point out other adc's being strong also make her weak...

Whiteeye AvelynSep 28, 20171 votes

Making a class of champions weaker is not how you balance thing, The moment adc's as a class is shit again(remember adc's in 2017 lul) Tanks are going to get out of hand again, you nerf tanks mages rise again, you nerf mages assassins, it just keeps going until everyone sucks and they start buffing again.

The steam lifeSep 28, 20171 votes

I mean not really one of the biggest reason Tanks and supports are strong is because of the adc if the adcs are weaker part of their power is lost

GayFluffyUnicornSep 28, 20172 votes

Maybe because she can use a pause after dominating for two seasons straight?

GigglesOSep 28, 20171 votes

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Maybe because she can use a pause after dominating for two seasons straight?

And taking her out of the equation is what allowed the other adc's to have some of the spotlight. Right now the other adc's are a little overbearing to fight into, and we could have just nerfed them to bring up her winrate...

jwebb0113Sep 28, 20172 votes

no maybe she needs to be balanced not gutted and not op

FairyfleurSep 28, 20171 votes

Yes, Jinx deserves nerfs with the 9th highest pickrate of all ADC's; along with a 0.2% banrate.

jwebb0113Sep 28, 20171 votes

i never said anything about nerfing any one ...

let alone said anything about jinx needing nerfs

so what is the context/point of this comment to me ?

FairyfleurSep 28, 20171 votes

What you're insinuating with your comment is that Jinx deserves nerfs more than Twitch; if need be for nerfs.

jwebb0113Sep 28, 20172 votes

nope never said anything about any champ needed a nerf

you are implying context that isnt there

i even listed the win rate of twitch which is higher then jinx... so how are you concluding i am voicing that jinx needs a nerf more then twitch ?

the OP topic is about caits buffs and how he dont think see needs them i just happen to list multiple adcs who all have drastically higher win rates...

nothing was said other then their win rates.

FairyfleurSep 28, 20171 votes

Twitch was a placeholder, it would've been correct of me to say Kog or Xayah instead, as you gave them worse winrates than someone like Jinx, who is far weaker.

All I'm trying to say is that it seemed like you were trying to say that Xayah and Kog don't need nerfs, because you compared them to adc's with higher winrates.

jwebb0113Sep 28, 20172 votes

i didnt give them win rates i posted the win rates for the champs

i didnt make them up

i didnt compare anything these are conclusions you are drawing , making your own context from the data

all i did was post the win rates of a list of adcs

plz stop applying your context and trying to make into what i said or was implying ...

KennysDreamGirlSep 28, 20171 votes

I dont think xayah needs nerfs..plz Don't go trying to start hate trains and nerfing champion for the only reason being "I dont like them" if anything maybe early damage on e but thats it. Xayah is us less without setup aoe she should be rewarded for getting them

AirKingNeoSep 28, 20171 votes

Xayah is pick ban wtf

KennysDreamGirlSep 28, 20171 votes

Twitch is pick ban. Enchanters that abuse ardent currently are pick ban..xayah..is debatable for me at least...now you could say that's because shes my main(which not gonna lie, is a small part of the reason why I dont want nerfs) but I honestly dont think she is pick/ban. She's strong yeah but I think twitch has an easier job at being an aoe team fighting marksman. Xayah doesnt do much if she doesn't use her feathers properly. Twitch just presses r out of stealth and clicks and boom team gone for twitch pentakill. Now I'm not saying she is completely out of the range of small changes but saying she is so strong that if she isnt picked or banned your team or enemy team is automatic loss for whoever is a stretch

AirKingNeoSep 28, 20171 votes

Twitch isn't even considered in pro play. Xayah is picked or banned in most of them.

KennysDreamGirlSep 28, 20172 votes

This isn't about pro play. This is about solo que

XëmnasSep 28, 20171 votes

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Xayah is pick ban wtf

What're you talking about, are you trolling? Sure, she's huge when she snowballs, but then again, which champ isn't? She stopped being pick ban way back when they removed her Q-AA-E combo.

AirKingNeoSep 28, 20171 votes

Ok, since you aren't paying attention to pro play at all?

XëmnasOct 8, 20171 votes

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Ok, since you aren't paying attention to pro play at all?

Well.. We're not really playing at that level, are we? Pro players pick Xayah for a very different reason. They know she's shit unless she gets a shitload of items, which is why the pro scene is at such a shitty state of farm for 30 minutes and then have 1 teamfight and that's it. Solo Q is much more interesting than pro play.

You can't play solo q like that. It's not an environment in which you can farm for 30 minutes and come out of botlane and stomp the game. You need kills (I know this sounds a bit noobish, but it's a fact) otherwise you're just gonna get run over by the enemy 5/1 top lane, 7/3 jungler, ... you get the point. Xayah's not gonna get those early kills unless she either has a genius support, or is playing with opponents waaay below her skill level.

AirKingNeoSep 28, 20171 votes

Sivir Tristana don't forget

DuskDaUmbreonSep 28, 20171 votes

Twitch, I can agree with. Draven, you could make a case for.

But Xayah? Kog'maw? They're really not in need of nerfs...

FearlessCreatorSep 27, 201711 votes

How did this post get upvoted? OP clearly has no clue what he's talking about.

SkorchSep 28, 201711 votes

Hate any ADC = Get upvotes.

Even if every comment is calling them a bonobo, theyll still get front page.

SnowplosionSep 27, 20175 votes

Because Cait was actually terrible. Nerfing other ADCs would have made less awesome and left Cait at still fucking terrible. That's why.

Cloud273Sep 27, 20174 votes

She has a 46% win rate on champion.gg. Clearly we nerfed her a little too hard, and when we have even more broken adc's like kog and twitch why not buff her a little?

GigglesOSep 27, 20175 votes

Because nerfing the other adc's gives her room to play in lane, which allows her to function better...

Cloud273Sep 27, 20171 votes

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Because nerfing the other adc's gives her room to play in lane, which allows her to function better...

I'm not saying that those champions don't need nerfs, but honestly this buff is barely anything. I doubt she'll go higher than a 50% win rate with this.

ThefrostyvikingSep 28, 20171 votes

She got her lategame back and increased pushing against towers, all in exchange for a worse earlygame and ~~less damage on her Q when hitting several targets in a row~~.

More damage....

Somehow this feels fine.

Somebody Love MeSep 29, 20171 votes

People sleep on how strong headshot hitting towers is

ThefrostyvikingSep 29, 20171 votes

I mean, it won't be that big of a deal early on i think, she´d need a bit of AD first.

But later on it would be like a mini version of Ziggs enhanced AA i think.

Somebody Love MeSep 30, 20171 votes

Before she got gutted, Cait could get bot tower super early in a 2v2 since she usually had the enemy AD shoved in.

With headshot hitting towers and her auto attacks restored, she can so it faster.

ThefrostyvikingSep 30, 20171 votes

But she now needs more attacks to stack her headshot, is weaker early on due to lower base stats and is espeically more vulnerable when getting caught due to a smaller healthbar.

Thusly, fewer headshots make her push minions slower and she can't harass as freely as before, and she is among the squishiest of the marksmen now as well, albeit only in the early game.

But that's plenty for the jungle to get a chance or enemy botlane to ensure they won't get bullied without giving some back.

SnowplosionSep 27, 20173 votes

That's not her problem. Her problem is she couldn't DPS. She couldn't shred tanks and she wasn't strong enough to kill any of the other ADCs in a 1v1 or 2v2. She was absolutely awful.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 28, 20171 votes

Hmmmmmm she isn't supposed to actually 1v1 adcs or shred people when riot has such a hard on for her trap mechanic. She is for sieging and long range poke.

Athenes LuluSep 28, 20173 votes

The hypercarries have taken over and we need to bring the biggest bully of botlane back to keep them all in check.

Or hopefully...

jwebb0113Sep 28, 20171 votes

well at least someone understood caitlyn's place.

and she didnt keep hyper carries becoming hyper carries it just make it harder so you have a chance to win game before they became hyper carries

Succubús GFSep 27, 20172 votes

powercreep101

RexxieeSep 28, 20172 votes

Because cait was literally in the bottom 3 worst winrates champs?

She had 42% wr, and its not like pros were still picking her either like ryze, she was just legit dumpster in both solo q and comp play.

KlydeFrogSep 28, 20171 votes

nothing is wrong with cait. Change her build before korea thinks of something

TwilíghtOct 8, 20171 votes

She needed a buff due to her ability not able to do dmg to anyone really.. she was super weak with a winrate of 46.2%. She was still strong against other Adcs so nerfing other adc's wasn't quite the way to go..