It's 2015 and Riven, Katarina, Garen still dont have a resource bar

Macilento··3 votes·2,432 views

There is absolutely no point for a champion to have no resources to manage.

you can say whatever you want, Riven has long CD, Katarina is based on spells Cd, whatever, it doesn't make any sense.

I belive they didn't want to give Garen a resource bar couse he is a champion for new players, so something easy to pick up and play. Do you think Riot that new players are completely retarded or what? Managing your abilities and your resources is like the first thing you have to learn about this game, and it's not something super complex to learn... You can make this champion so much more interesting then this.

Riven is a champion that not only is incredibly snowbally ( and unhealthy), but honestly she has 0 reasons to not have a energy bar, a mana bar, a fury bar, a chocolate bar, WHATEVER. Just balance her around a resource bar, if the only thing limiting your ability to harrass an enemy is to wait 5 seconds, what's the point. Try to play a Malphite toplane, and you will see how hard is to manage your mana bar to stay long enough in the lane, Riven not only has a kti that permits her to win basically anytrade at ealry levels, but she can do that ENDLESSLY without a mana bar.

Katarina is the only one that i can understand, more or less, but i still think that it's unhealthy in general for the game. Someone limited by a resource vs someone who has no limits is never an equal thing. I think Katarina should have an energy bar, with mechanics to gain energy doing your combo and stuff, so that you can do all the fun things you did before, but being smart about it, otherwise if you fail you have to wait your energy to refill.

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foinhas4 votes

"chocolate bar"

Candy Riven skin incoming.

"we noticed Riven has no resource bar so we decided to give her a chocolate bar because balance

Agidyne1 votes

hahahaha +1

Macilento1 votes

{quoted}

"chocolate bar"

Candy Riven skin incoming.

"we noticed Riven has no resource bar so we decided to give her a chocolate bar because balance

seems fine

O Fallen Scholar3 votes

I like strawberry flavoured creatine bars. What about you OP?

Macilento1 votes

{quoted}

I like strawberry flavoured creatine bars. What about you OP?

chocolate bar op

Agidyne2 votes

You can understand why Katarina doesn't have a Resource Bar but not Garen?

the fuck?

Garen is a champion with no gapclosers and no "easy" way to force a trade on someone with the simplest of disengages AND you really think Garen doesn't have a resource bar because he is supposed to teach newborns how to play?

Do you know how much shit he would become?

Should I add that he is only useful as a Lane Bully because that's simply everything he can do? Bully laners who don't know how to manage their mana?

Macilento1 votes

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You can understand why Katarina doesn't have a Resource Bar but not Garen?

the fuck?

Garen is a champion with no gapclosers and no "easy" way to force a trade on someone with the simplest of disengages AND you really think Garen doesn't have a resource bar because he is supposed to teach newborns how to play?

Do you know how much shit he would become?

Should I add that he is only useful as a Lane Bully because that's simply everything he can do? Bully laners who don't know how to manage their mana?

If you read my post decently you would now that what you said doesnt make any sense

Agidyne2 votes

no

your original post is just brainfuckingly bad

Critmaster Garen1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Twin Arrowguns,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=11O0o7lh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-31T10:14:09.054+0000)

Do you know how much shit he would become?

im actually split on this. theoretically if they gave him a mana bar, they would have to reduce his base cooldowns, since there is no reason for high cooldowns anymore. but he would still keep the same amount of damage and tankyness from his kit. he could spam his q every 5 to 3 seconds, and his spin would probably have 2 or 3 seconds cd less.

it would also open up items like item 3800 item 3110 and especially item 3025 up to him.

imagine riven with the same kit as now, with triforce being a cost effective option.

basically no amount of lube could prepare you.

i like how he doesnt even mention gnar and renekton though.

Agidyne1 votes

Idk, I always build CDR on Garen so it doesn't really matter.

I have 3 core items. Spirit Visage, Sunfire Cape and The Black Cleaver.

Him having mana wouldn't change my buildpath a lot.

Maybe I would try a Triforce - FH - SV instead build instead, but I doubt it would be any better.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Idk, I always build CDR on Garen so it doesn't really matter.

I have 3 core items. Spirit Visage, Sunfire Cape and The Black Cleaver.

Him having mana wouldn't change my buildpath a lot.

Maybe I would try a Triforce - FH - SV instead build instead, but I doubt it would be any better.

yea, cdr is important on him. just saying the high amount of cdr and the really high amount of armor on frozen heart together in one item would fit him really well.

especially if they would reduce his base cooldowns because he had a mana bar. you could rush frozen heart for 120 armor and would be set for most of the game against ad champs, while having your spin on like a 5 second cooldown.

right now you can only get those stats from separate items. his big armor items are randuins and thornmail. and he gets cdr from cleaver, ghostblade and spirit visage.

Sky Shadow2 votes

To be fair, there are Champions that have a mana bar for no reason too. It's just there to accent the screen.

Vayne Teemo Trundle Volibear to name a few.

Kãtãrinã2 votes

If katarina would get an energy bar of course it would have to be sorta like Zeds as well as giving her a buff in many other areas, but it would be easier to get the energy back. also her passive would literally have to GIVE her resources back when scoring kill/assist or she wouldnt be able to use her passive fully and it would become a niche passive like that of "trist gets a reset on her jump" or kha zix thing Honestly don't mind if you gave them resources as long as each got a buff depending on how hard that would hit the kit.

(I am NOT for or against this post. Just making this part clear)

foinhas1 votes

patch 5.15

Kat gets resource bar Q becomes skillshot

Zed deleted

Kãtãrinã1 votes

i want Q to become a skillshot. More skill to use, and with all other Point and clciks going to skillshot they get a buff by default : )

Sir Yamazuki2 votes

Mana bar=/=difficulty.

Crett1 votes

garen is fine (and is getting a rework). riven and katarina are problems imo. resets + animation cancelling both make me want to gag

foinhas1 votes

the worst part is that the animation cancelation is NOT that hard to pull, it just requires some training in a bot game. Oh, i forgot, people don't like to train/work hard for them plays...

Crett2 votes

it really feels like a pointless step in the process, especially with her damage balanced around it. what's the point of it besides forcing players to do something like that? it gets in the way of actual play, in my opinion (and artificially heightens the skill floor). players should be focused on actual mechanics, not this technical rigmarole of wildly clicking about to make the moves quicker

Krigjer1 votes

Garen not having a resource makes sense, but it's always bugged me that Talon and Katarina play similarly but one has mana to manage and one doesn't.

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