Galio hard counters AP champions, what about AD?

Niaphim·10/24/2017, 11:32:39 AM·5 votes·1,796 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9eoHkHG0Rc This video made by Vandiril shows exactly what I mean: we have at least 1 champion that hard counters the entire AP champion class, being close to invulnerable (of course, in real games we won't see those exact numbers, but even half of that coupled with a bit of MR means mages might as well not try to bother hitting him). Now, with this build he is not exactly a tank, but a bruiser/mage himself, but he counters AP in his both versions.

On the other side of things, the best anti-ad tanks (sejuani/malphite/rammus) are more like mild annoyances for ad champions, since AD champions have a better time wearing tanks down with their autoattacks.

So, can we have a champion that shuts down full AD teams hardcore, like Galio does with AP teams?

21 Comments

xPhantomDancerX10/24/2017, 11:47:16 AM3 votes

Ummm, Malphite?

Done2510/24/2017, 11:53:49 AM3 votes

Rammus used to be death incarnate to auto attack based champs. However, after several heavy handed nerfs, he's little more than a joke now.

Malphite is still in a pretty good spot iirc. On demand initiation with good burst makes him quite strong against marksmen. His only downfall is the sheer strength of Redemption/Locket/Enchanters negating his burst.

I don't think Sej was ever really anti AD. She got free armor, but that's not much. Her current version is more "Anti-burst" or "Anti-hp stacking".

Very Hard Engage10/24/2017, 11:56:56 AM1 votes

thanks for showing enemy builds and a completely ridiculous galio build.

Death by Glamour10/24/2017, 12:05:46 PM1 votes

Malphite...

BabyNaix10/24/2017, 1:18:37 PM1 votes

There are at least 2! Rammus & Malphite!

Arkilusal10/24/2017, 1:44:24 PM1 votes

Poppy if I recall correctly has extra armor when her HP gets low, I think? It might not be as memorable because it's more of a 'I don't die easily' type deal with her rather than a 'your pitiful autos do nothing to me!'...Or maybe it's that the rest of her kit isn't as simple to use, but there's that...

Mcsquzzy10/24/2017, 2:28:37 PM1 votes

cant hard counter AD otherwise Marksmen will just be C's

Eedat10/24/2017, 2:34:12 PM1 votes

I'll be sure to remember that next time I build item 3040 item 3165 item 3089 and a fully stacked item 3041 on Galio

DragonShea10/24/2017, 2:42:10 PM1 votes

Rammus bitch!

ChompyWulf10/24/2017, 2:46:56 PM1 votes

I think you're missing several major factors. Galio is so valuable against AP because MR is a bigger pain to stack than Armor. His shielding is so notable because it works so well against a class of champs built to burst with a combo, while ADCs are meant to whittle health away over time. Also, currently mages are in a weaker state than adcs due to item comparisons. That's why most pros mid favor control mages currently, they offer more than just damage. Finally, while people talk a lot about his magic resistance, it's more of a side niche while his major strength is vastly improved CC.