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Dammm Riot has such good explanations in their patch notes.

BakedLotion·Feb 10, 2015·76 votes·4,861 views

" Let's talk about Kassadin. Near unparalleled mobility coupled with high damage and precise target selection has historically made Kass among the League's most resilient champions. Right now, our best method of 'gating' this guy (that is, trying to keep him from facerolling over the game) is by intentionally keeping his lane weak in the hopes of staving off what can feel like an inevitable riftwalking nightmare. While we want to preserve Kassadin's mobility-driven identity, he doesn't really have windows of vulnerability necessary for opponents to smack him in the face, meaning most fights are his to lose rather than any outplays his opponents can make.

With all of that said, this is not the change to do that. Sorry. We'll be kicking of some deeper investigations in the future (who'd have thought an ultra-mobile assassin would have game health difficulties), but for now we're just looking to tune him down. Very precisely. "

Does this sound familiar to you (except Kass himself)????? I'm pretty sure this applies to someone else, except hes even better than Kass

59 Comments

Kitten of EvilFeb 11, 201559 votes

That's not true, OP.

"Right now . . . intentionally keeping his lane weak in the hopes of staving off what can feel like an inevitable riftwalking nightmare."

Clearly that doesn't apply to Zed.

BakedLotionFeb 11, 201517 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitten of Evil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0vhEuRM7,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-02-11T00:01:34.976+0000)

That's not true, OP.

Clearly that doesn't apply to Zed.

It sorta does. No matter how Zed does in lane, he'll still 100-0 your adc with just bork, and high ass base damages. Also, it's impossible to lose lane as Zed. If you do, you're just bad. You either go even or get ahead as Zed. Theres simply no falling behind

Raja ChachkiFeb 11, 20156 votes

the guy was joking:). Zed's laning phase is strong af

AresIFeb 11, 20156 votes

What are you talking about? That massive attack speed nerf killed Zed. Huehuehue.

Kitten of EvilFeb 11, 201530 votes

Yeah, Riot hasn't "kept Zed's lane weak" to stave off the "inevitable nightmare." That was my point.

blueberrypancakeFeb 11, 20151 votes

What if you're playing an anti assassin like Kayle,Lissandra, and Lulu?

Subject 5Feb 11, 20154 votes

Riot doesn't want diversity in the mid lane, Lulu tried.

qetzelFeb 11, 20152 votes

And is still very good in the midlane. Apparantly she is played in the Korean LCS thing.

1st HanarSpectreFeb 11, 20152 votes

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And is still very good in the midlane. Apparantly she is played in the Korean LCS thing.

^ Funnily enough, Lulu can still beat just about all melees mid, including Kassadin and Zed.

AuryielFeb 12, 20152 votes

Yep, her only problem is she doesn't scale well unless your AD carry is an hyper-carry, which simply means she has a niche and she fills it.

Icy AuronFeb 11, 201511 votes

It's easy to win lane against Zed. Anivia

Hellish ProphecyFeb 12, 20152 votes

As an Anivia player I approve this comment.

slaywithrageFeb 11, 20151 votes

Lissandra Lol cute

Error ScreenFeb 11, 20155 votes

VOID ZED CONFIRMED

Kitten of EvilFeb 11, 20156 votes

The unseen troll is the deadliest.

ThePlasticSporkFeb 11, 201525 votes

Honestly.

Just because champion A is more broken than Champion B does not mean that it's somehow okay for Champion B to be broken. It annoys me that every time Rito makes a balance change that's not a Zed/Lee/Whatever nerf everyone goes "BUT ZED/LEE BLAH BLAH BLAH" whilst making no constructive discussion about the actual change in question.

I'm fine with Kassadin nerfs. I would be more than happy if Zed was nerfed into oblivion, but my hatred for Zed does not somehow make Kassadin less annoying.

Silents429Feb 11, 201511 votes

Our hatred for Zed or Lee doesn't mean they deserve to be nerfed into oblivion either, I have screamed bullshit at them before, but none of us want our precious mains taken away any more then the players playing those 2.

blueberrypancakeFeb 11, 20152 votes

Nobody wants another Diana

item 3070 fully stacked

Kobila2000Feb 11, 20154 votes

The proper term is Olaf'd.

1st HanarSpectreFeb 11, 20153 votes

{quoted}

The proper term is Olaf'd.

Eve got beat down way harder than Olaf ever was.

Only Play DariusFeb 11, 20158 votes

Kassadin is extremely difficult to play, he doesn't do much damage and his CC is a joke.

Why do you want him to get nerfed?

NinpireFeb 11, 20151 votes

I think they nerfed him cause kassadin is really good at picking off stragglers.. So they don't want him doing much damage.in the first place cause... if you're low and he's anywhere near you you're pretty much dead.

BabyDunkin17Feb 11, 20151 votes

You mean they nerfed kassadin to almost un-playability in the meta game because he was good at what an assassin was supposed to do when he is not focusing the carry?

NinpireFeb 11, 20152 votes

Um. He's still good. I'm just saying his chasing powers even stronger than akalis

So he's good at finishing people off if they get away

So no. He's still playable but yeah because his mobility is too good

SolaxoFeb 11, 20152 votes

People still play Kassadin?

BIFFFeb 11, 20152 votes

One guy played Kassadin. Once. He beat CertainlyT's Zed. Now Kassadin is getting nerfed right back into the void.

LoLNewbieFeb 11, 20151 votes

{quoted}

People still play Kassadin?

I almost never see Kassadin in my games anymore , not rly sure how broken he is

DryditchFeb 11, 20151 votes

Kassawin is a big problem in any match. Even high level, he wins games

Only Play DariusFeb 12, 20152 votes

I don't follow esports at all, but a couple of weeks ago I was bored and I jumped onto twitch and watched the end part of some chinese or korean LCS match in which a player named something like "Pawn" picked Kassadin and went 14/3 against a team that had JarvanIV and Gnar , I think also Zed but I cannot remember. Kassadin ended up with one or two quadrakills and carried his team to victory.

Very next day, and I mean LITERALLY next day, I see the PBE patch notes and Kassadin, a champion who hasn't been touched in a long time, gets straight nerfs.

xLegendary TrollFeb 12, 20151 votes

People in NA think the nerfs or buffs revolve around their input. They fail to realize that LoL is an international game and certain regions pick up on things much quicker than NA.

You're absolutely right though. Kassadin is a terror in China right now. His Q is extremely over powered because of the shield it gives you allowing you to win trades against AP mids. Back then you dealt with his silence by quickly unloading your spells as his Q was on its way. For instance with lux you press QE simultaneously and then auto attack him while you're silenced.

Only Play DariusFeb 12, 20151 votes

Kassadin is designed to be an anti-mage, punishing kassadin for dominating AP mids is like punishing Maokai for doing welll against a team with no autoattackers.

Hellish ProphecyFeb 12, 20151 votes

Well if you nerf every mage who goes mid, Zed rises above the others. Take away that nerf and Zed needs a buff. See the problem? There will be no balance in the game, but I personally would rather an entire class be more powerful than one champion.

Rei TenshiFeb 11, 201519 votes

You forgot this part:

"skillful and satisfying to play, but vulnerable when making mistakes"

Zed Damn, missed my killing combo, time to shadow away and try again 10 secs later lololol.

AlorasenceFeb 11, 20151 votes

"Im so glad I never have to leave lane because of mana issues."

YOU BEEN WARNEDFeb 11, 201513 votes

If nerfs come so fast, how come they're not called ninjas Shen

Zed is a ninja

Ninja nerf? Anyone ?

I'll show myself the door.

AxlStreamFeb 11, 20157 votes

Yeah, because no way that a Flash with 4-5 second cooldown could EVER backfire...

Only Play DariusFeb 11, 20157 votes

yea, neither does needing 1000 mana after the 5th cast either.

Father CthulhuFeb 11, 20154 votes

Except Kassadin has better mobility by a long shot, is almost definetly safer because of it, and has the damage that's almost as good as Zed's when he hits late game.

I mean, at least Zed's mobility comes with at least a 12+ second CD, apposed to Kassadin who can just build rod of ages and press R 4 times in a row, if not more.

The only issue with Zed is that he has a good laning phase while Kassadin doesn't. He's more item reliant, and has mana so he can't spam stuff in lane without having to wonder into minions and W something. Zed's lane and roam is better than almost any other mids, but comparatively his late game isn't as good as so many other mid laners.

unban swiftyFeb 12, 20151 votes

Yeah, Kassadin's late game is super scary. My record burst (with a full assassin build on Kass) was around 2.8k damage to the enemy urgot in .86 seconds. I literally 100-0'd him in under 1 second while I myself had around 300 hp and was running for my life (my E happened to come up as he was chasing me)

SEKAIFeb 10, 20153 votes

But Zed is the ninja, Zed is all about the skill, the outplay, the shadow clones, the mobility, the burst and WITH NO CONSEQUENCES. Srsly think about this, who, literally WHO won't stand up and scream in joy when seeing our senpai press ulti, spam and immediately teleported to safety with SUCH SKILL AND FLASHYNESS????

Meh who bats an eye to that metallic tentacle mask who just press ulti in, spam and well tries to get out. WOOOOOOOO SO UNDERWHELMING!!!!!!! That sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not to mention when you compare the 2, ninja(!) and the err umm well whatever. Ninja is all about the spotlight, the agility, the fineness and the DEADLY BLADES!! Pfff the other nobody's puny lightsaber copycat that looks so shietty and no style point (in his kit TOO!!).

Besides who cares about the story about a Void Walker? That's just lame.....

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CbTI_Bzy29I/maxresdefault.jpg

Uh Oh, Checkmate Rito.

EDIT: Wow you guys can never detect sarcasm can't you? Or you can just read the last line you know.

BakedLotionFeb 10, 201518 votes

{quoted}

But Zed is the ninja, Zed is all about the skill, the outplay, the shadow clones, the mobility, the burst and WITH NO CONSEQUENCES. Srsly think about this, who, literally WHO won't stand up and scream in joy when seeing our senpai press ulti, spam and immediately teleported to safety with SUCH SKILL AND FLASHYNESS????

Meh who bats an eye to that metallic tentacle mask who just press ulti in, spam and well tries to get out. WOOOOOOOO SO UNDERWHELMING!!!!!!! That sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not to mention when you compare the 2, ninja(!) and the err umm well whatever. Ninja is all about the spotlight, the agility, the fineness and the DEADLY BLADES!! Pfff the other nobody's puny lightsaber copycat that looks so shietty and no style point (in his kit TOO!!).

Besides who cares about the story about a Void Walker? That's just lame.....

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CbTI_Bzy29I/maxresdefault.jpg

Uh Oh, Checkmate Rito.

ALL THOSE LCSBIGPLAYS FROM THE NINJA. DAM HOLY FUCK I CANT HANDLE. WHO CARES IF THE TENTACLE MAN GETS NERFED??? WE ALL CARE ABOUT THE NINJA. TOO MANY FLASHY PLAYS YOU GET A FLASHY PLAY U GET A FLASHY PLAY EVERYONE GETS A FLASHY PLAY

ScorpoisonFeb 11, 20152 votes

LCSBIGPLAY$

TwoDFeb 11, 20152 votes

I want to know who said this, just so I can find him/her and smack hammerfist them to the face.

BakedLotionFeb 11, 20156 votes

{quoted}

I want to know who said this, just so I can find him/her and smack hammerfist them to the face.

That would be riot, my dear friend

TotalJerkFeb 11, 20152 votes

Kassadin can Riftwalk halfway across the map before Zed even realizes he left.

Excitidly InsaneFeb 11, 20155 votes

He can Rift twice I suppose, before realizing he has no mana left.

Father CthulhuFeb 11, 20155 votes

[{quoted}](name=Excitidly Insane,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0vhEuRM7,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2015-02-11T13:06:34.705+0000)

He can Rift twice I suppose, before realizing he has no mana left.

If you don't build RoA or something else with mana, then you're not building Kassadin right.

Excitidly InsaneFeb 12, 20151 votes

His current state leaves him no option but to build at least RoA. Even then the third Rift is getting a bit mana heavy, and blue buff doesn't do anything when it gets to 4 stacks.

FasmodeyFeb 11, 20152 votes

Zed is unbalanced now, I understand but it's because of meta change. If they dont want to nerf him they should buff others so everyone can be happy.

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